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Old 10-17-2017, 05:46 AM  
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There’s No Excuse for ‘Conservative’ Shout-Downs

No, There’s No Excuse for ‘Conservative’ Shout-Downs

by DAVID FRENCH October 16, 2017 11:02 AM


As Stanley Kurtz noted on Friday, pro-Trump protesters shouted-down California Attorney General Xavier Becerra and California State Assembly Leader Ian Calderon during an appearance at California’s Whittier College. This is a terrible development.

Thus far the shout-down has been a predominantly far-Left tactic, one that’s spreading even to the point where progressives are turning on progressives (witness the recent Black Lives Matter shout-down of an ACLU speaker at William & Mary.) It’s shameful, it’s unlawful at public universities, and it violates the student code of conduct at private universities. The answer to the shout-down is the rule of law. The answer is the Constitution.

Yet there are some “conservatives” who justify this new escalation (just like they justify public calls to fire radical professors who engage in offensive — but constitutionally-protected — speech) as a form of “fighting fire with fire.” It’s censorship in the name of freedom, and by making the Left “live under its own rules,” they’ll make the Left more reasonable.

This is as silly as it is unprincipled.

The radical Left simply doesn’t view the world the way these conservatives believe they do. They don’t care if Xavier Becerra speaks or doesn’t speak. They’re not truly grieved in the least that he was shouted down. After all, the heckling, disrupting wing of the Left barely tolerates most Democratic politicians. Instead, they see the world through the prism not of persuasion but mobilization, and the emergence of right-wing lawlessness is God’s gift to their own efforts to “take the streets.” It’s God’s gift to their own efforts to tell more moderate members of the Left that the Right cares nothing for the Constitution and only seeks power.

Here’s a radical idea. Let’s defend free speech by defending free speech. It’s the right thing to do, and it actually does work. This is not the first time we’ve seen a wave of campus shout-downs (the shout-down was a common radical left tactic when I was in law school). It ultimately receded then, and it will recede again — through public accountability and application of the rule of law.

The right-wing mob will only make things worse, but then again I’m not sure the mob cares. To them, the “fight” matters far more than the Constitution. It’s brown shirts versus red shirts. They are who they hate, and if either side wins, America will most certainly lose.


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Old 10-18-2017, 09:11 AM   #76
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Big shock.

The trumpers are okay with shouting down political opponents, but are outraged when people shout them down.

More 'do as I say, not as I do' from the fringes.

You seem to be confusing "do as I say, not as I do" with "How do you like it? Sauce for the gander, sauce for the goose".

And, at least for me, Trump has nothing to do with it.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:32 AM   #77
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You seem to be confusing "do as I say, not as I do" with "How do you like it? Sauce for the gander, sauce for the goose".

And, at least for me, Trump has nothing to do with it.
"Fight fire with fire" and "If they bring a knife you bring a gun" does not advance discourse, it lessens it. It uses others' bad behavior to excuse one's own bad behavior.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:34 AM   #78
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But of course when it's brought up Bannon was a Naval Lieutenant and a Harvard grad, that doesn't matter.


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I never made any appeal to authority with regard to this article.

You're the one who ad hominems a source to death without ever reading what they have had to say, and then posts repeatedly discouraging others from reading the ideas and evaluating them for themselves.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:57 AM   #79
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"Fight fire with fire" and "If they bring a knife you bring a gun" does not advance discourse, it lessens it.
Nonsense, as nuclear detente has made clear for decades


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It uses others' bad behavior to excuse one's own bad behavior.
More nonsense



Insisting on a level playing field is not "bad behavior".

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I never made any appeal to authority with regard to this article.

You're the one who ad hominems a source to death without ever reading what they have had to say, and then posts repeatedly discouraging others from reading the ideas and evaluating them for themselves.
What do you think possessed this asshole to travel to Somalia (of all places) to go adopt a little African to bring back?
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What do you think possessed this asshole to travel to Somalia (of all places) to go adopt a little African to bring back?
A desire to do good for his fellow man?

I know a number of families that have made international adoptions. Orphans in other parts of the world are often in hopeless situations that are no fault of their own.

It's natural that some people with the ability and means would care about the suffering of these children and want to help.
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Nonsense, as nuclear detente has made clear for decades




More nonsense



Insisting on a level playing field is not "bad behavior".
It's not "insisting on a level playing field" to say "if you riot and trash our events and silence our speakers we'll do the same to you". It's lowering yourself to their level and becoming one half of the downward spiral.

Apes bashing each other's skulls with bones while they hoo-call and screech to intimidate each other is supposed to be behind us in history, not something that people are fighting to bring back.
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What do you think possessed this asshole to travel to Somalia (of all places) to go adopt a little African to bring back?
It was Ethiopia and maybe he was inspired by Angelina Jolie's recent (at the time) adoption of a daughter from Ethiopia. Why do you think he did it? Because he hates white people?
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In order for this thread to exist, one has to completely ignore Hannity and o'reilly and others spending the last decade plus shouting at everyone that disagrees with them and/or turning off mics.
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In order for this thread to exist, one has to completely ignore Hannity and o'reilly and others spending the last decade plus shouting at everyone that disagrees with them and/or turning off mics.
No you don't. You just have to recognize that it's a completely different situation.
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A desire to do good for his fellow man?

I know a number of families that have made international adoptions. Orphans in other parts of the world are often in hopeless situations that are no fault of their own.

It's natural that some people with the ability and means would care about the suffering of these children and want to help.
Bringing a Somali into America does me good?


How so?
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It was Ethiopia and maybe he was inspired by Angelina Jolie's recent (at the time) adoption of a daughter from Ethiopia. Why do you think he did it? Because he hates white people?

But why African? Couldn't he have adopted a Serb or a Romanian? Lots of little white babies also suffering. Hell, he cold go to Warsaw and choose from prob 200,000 adoptable (under 5) white babies.



So I'm asking you: WHY go grab an african?
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No you don't. You just have to recognize that it's a completely different situation.
It is?



I thought were talking about situations of where people shout down people they disagree with.

Conservatives have watched that happen daily on their favorite news channel.
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But why African? Couldn't he have adopted a Serb or a Romanian? Lots of little white babies also suffering. Hell, he cold go to Warsaw and choose from prob 200,000 adoptable (under 5) white babies.



So I'm asking you: WHY go grab an african?
I came up with a theory. What's your theory?
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It is?



I thought were talking about situations of where people shout down people they disagree with.

Conservatives have watched that happen daily on their favorite news channel.
I don't care for hosts that interrupt and overtalk like Hannity and O'Reilly sometimes do. But I think it's a meaningful distinction that they do so on their own TV programs where they, presumably, are the decision makers as to who gets to talk. That's not the same as a public setting like when a Xavier Becerra or a Ben Shapiro are invited to give a public speech at a college.
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