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Old 10-17-2017, 05:46 AM  
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There’s No Excuse for ‘Conservative’ Shout-Downs

No, There’s No Excuse for ‘Conservative’ Shout-Downs

by DAVID FRENCH October 16, 2017 11:02 AM


As Stanley Kurtz noted on Friday, pro-Trump protesters shouted-down California Attorney General Xavier Becerra and California State Assembly Leader Ian Calderon during an appearance at California’s Whittier College. This is a terrible development.

Thus far the shout-down has been a predominantly far-Left tactic, one that’s spreading even to the point where progressives are turning on progressives (witness the recent Black Lives Matter shout-down of an ACLU speaker at William & Mary.) It’s shameful, it’s unlawful at public universities, and it violates the student code of conduct at private universities. The answer to the shout-down is the rule of law. The answer is the Constitution.

Yet there are some “conservatives” who justify this new escalation (just like they justify public calls to fire radical professors who engage in offensive — but constitutionally-protected — speech) as a form of “fighting fire with fire.” It’s censorship in the name of freedom, and by making the Left “live under its own rules,” they’ll make the Left more reasonable.

This is as silly as it is unprincipled.

The radical Left simply doesn’t view the world the way these conservatives believe they do. They don’t care if Xavier Becerra speaks or doesn’t speak. They’re not truly grieved in the least that he was shouted down. After all, the heckling, disrupting wing of the Left barely tolerates most Democratic politicians. Instead, they see the world through the prism not of persuasion but mobilization, and the emergence of right-wing lawlessness is God’s gift to their own efforts to “take the streets.” It’s God’s gift to their own efforts to tell more moderate members of the Left that the Right cares nothing for the Constitution and only seeks power.

Here’s a radical idea. Let’s defend free speech by defending free speech. It’s the right thing to do, and it actually does work. This is not the first time we’ve seen a wave of campus shout-downs (the shout-down was a common radical left tactic when I was in law school). It ultimately receded then, and it will recede again — through public accountability and application of the rule of law.

The right-wing mob will only make things worse, but then again I’m not sure the mob cares. To them, the “fight” matters far more than the Constitution. It’s brown shirts versus red shirts. They are who they hate, and if either side wins, America will most certainly lose.


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Old 10-17-2017, 04:11 PM   #61
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Then lets make common rules of decency a law... you cant show up to either scream down, or beat up people you disagree with, basically

Scream down, you're forcibly removed from the venue by law

Show up with masks, baseball bats and whatever else, you're arrested

Conservative college group invites a conservative speaker, the law says they will be allowed to speak freely, police must take action to ensure this if needed

Liberal group wants to rent a public hall and rally, the law says they will be allowed to peacefully assemble and speak freely, police must take action to insure this if needed

Everyone has that right, lets further ensure it by law... thats all I'm saying
So, when the police decides that someone is fascist, racially insensitive, a communist, a socialist, they should be free to open his or her skull with a baton. Correct?
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:21 PM   #62
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Isn't French the little pussy-ass who went on NPR a week before the election and cried about he and his wife being "harassed" online by Trump trolls?


Dude is the biggest pussy ever spat out of a womb. Pay him no heed.
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:22 PM   #63
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Institutions can make rules about inhibiting speech. We don't want the government doing that. Your solution is worse than the problem.
Then lets just throw up our hands, and let it all devolve into chaos and murder

Because thats where this is all headed
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:23 PM   #64
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Tell me he isn't just looking to molest an entire gaggle of grade school boys at the nearest youth soccer tourney
I doubt child molesters would be allowed to 'peacefully assemble' for very long. And why's that? Think about it before you answer.
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:08 PM   #65
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I doubt child molesters would be allowed to 'peacefully assemble' for very long. And why's that? Think about it before you answer.
Because the parents are nervous?
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:20 PM   #66
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Then lets just throw up our hands, and let it all devolve into chaos and murder

Because thats where this is all headed
Shouting down opposing speakers, because the other side is allowed to shout down opposing speakers, leads to chaos and murder?
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:32 PM   #67
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Shouting down opposing speakers, because the other side is allowed to shout down opposing speakers, leads to chaos and murder?
Its been fun going in this circle with you... thanks, Donger
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:36 PM   #68
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Its been fun going in this circle with you... thanks, Donger
Hold on, there.

You're advocating government stifling of free speech. I'm saying that's a bad thing, and that the issue is with the venues and institutions, who are not enforcing the rules of decorum, and are not throwing the offenders out and then trespassing them if they return (trespass laws already exist). How the hell is that Donger-like?

Donger would have blamed everything on Trump 20 times already.

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Here is the Wikipedia entry on David French, who is a Bronze Star recipient, Iraq War veteran, Major in the Army Reserve, and Harvard Law School graduate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._French
Doesn't matter; if he's a Trump detractor his entire existence is without redeeming value.
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The thread's clear about what the "proposal" would be: conservative shout downs.

Troll someone else
I can live with that...
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Doesn't matter; if he's a Trump detractor his entire existence is without redeeming value.
But of course when it's brought up Bannon was a Naval Lieutenant and a Harvard grad, that doesn't matter.


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But of course when it's brought up Bannon was a Naval Lieutenant and a Harvard grad, that doesn't matter.


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But of course when it's brought up Bannon was a Naval Lieutenant and a Harvard grad, that doesn't matter.


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Big shock.

The trumpers are okay with shouting down political opponents, but are outraged when people shout them down.

More 'do as I say, not as I do' from the fringes.
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