Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 22

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

hey, I have serious doubts about a 5'8" guy as well...

but I'd rather take a potential game breaker over Star ****in' dime a dozen Loutitoautuata

I'm done with DL in the top 5 until further notice.

This draft has a lot of good WR's, Hunter, Patterson, Rogers, Woods, Allen, Hopkins and all of those guys have better shots of being more than just slot guys.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

hey, I have serious doubts about a 5'8" guy as well...

but I'd rather take a potential game breaker over Star ****in' dime a dozen Loutitoautuata

I'm done with DL in the top 5 until further notice.

I'm with you, I just question his ability to stay healthy, due to his size.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 01:59 AM

it's a pipe dream

but Geno Smith (hope) + Alex Smith (stopgap) > Joe Montana (1.5 years) in my eyes.

Geno may bust but if we made the commitment and took him at #1 and sat him behind Smith for a year it would signify hope for many of us and that would be huge.

And if Alex Smith has another Alex Smith year we could probably trade him elsewhere on his expiring contract year and at least get back the 3rd round pick we're going to ship to San Fran next year as well.

People haven't thought about that option...

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 02:00 AM

What I wonder is seeing the situation Smith is leaving, if the Chiefs do use a relatively high pick, 2nd round for instance, on a QB does he get pissed?

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm with you, I just question his ability to stay healthy, due to his size.

If we stay at #1 and sign Sean Smith and Chris Canty who do you guys see us drafting.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-05-2013, 02:01 AM

Faid gave a 1st and a 2nd for Palmer, so drafting Geno at 1 and spending a 2nd on Smith isn't too bad. Sounds pretty smart in today's game to hedge your bets and use resources on the most important position.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:01 AM

we had to do something about our QB position...

maybe Reid does really like Geno but realizes he's just simply too raw to come in and play this next season...maybe he sees him as a guy who needs a year (or more) of coaching and then he could become an Aaron Rodgers?

It's a possibility. I think it's very improbable, but at least these moves today signify more excitement come draft day other than the 'well it's going to be Joeckel' shit I'd have to listen to for the next 6 weeks if Albert walked.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 02:02 AM

It still could be Joeckel, if they don't think they can get a deal done with Albert they may play Joeckel at RT for a year and let Albert walk.

KurtCobain · 03-05-2013, 02:03 AM

So.. Winston to the bench?

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-05-2013, 02:03 AM

They are STILL trying to project Jokell to us. It's pathetic.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It still could be Joeckel, if they don't think they can get a deal done with Albert they may play Joeckel at RT for a year and let Albert walk.

why in god's name would we do that when we have a good (unpopular) but good RT in Winston?

That would be ridiculous.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

why in god's name would we do that when we have a good (unpopular) but good RT in Winston?

That would be ridiculous.

To cut him or move him to guard or move Albert to guard...probably Winston since he'd probably do it to keep the contract where Albert would bitch.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 02:05 AM

Or hell Albert could be traded, people are still going to mock Joeckel to the Chiefs I guarantee it.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:05 AM

dude we've invested three 2nd's in guards (Hudson, Asamoah, Allen)...and another 3rd on an OT (Stephenson)...

and we invested a fair contract for another RT (Winston)

PRETTY SURE we're now set at OL

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-05-2013, 02:06 AM

Those ****sticks are OBSESSED with mocking the Chiefs a LT. They are convinced it's the root of the team's problems for some idiotic reason.

We are damn fine on the OL, but that's still not stopping them.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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03-05-2013, 01:59 AM	#318
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	it's a pipe dream but Geno Smith (hope) + Alex Smith (stopgap) > Joe Montana (1.5 years) in my eyes. Geno may bust but if we made the commitment and took him at #1 and sat him behind Smith for a year it would signify hope for many of us and that would be huge. And if Alex Smith has another Alex Smith year we could probably trade him elsewhere on his expiring contract year and at least get back the 3rd round pick we're going to ship to San Fran next year as well. People haven't thought about that option...
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03-05-2013, 02:00 AM	#319
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2647050	What I wonder is seeing the situation Smith is leaving, if the Chiefs do use a relatively high pick, 2nd round for instance, on a QB does he get pissed?
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03-05-2013, 02:01 AM	#321
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $4008880	Faid gave a 1st and a 2nd for Palmer, so drafting Geno at 1 and spending a 2nd on Smith isn't too bad. Sounds pretty smart in today's game to hedge your bets and use resources on the most important position. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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03-05-2013, 02:01 AM	#322
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	we had to do something about our QB position... maybe Reid does really like Geno but realizes he's just simply too raw to come in and play this next season...maybe he sees him as a guy who needs a year (or more) of coaching and then he could become an Aaron Rodgers? It's a possibility. I think it's very improbable, but at least these moves today signify more excitement come draft day other than the 'well it's going to be Joeckel' shit I'd have to listen to for the next 6 weeks if Albert walked.
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03-05-2013, 02:02 AM	#323
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2647050	It still could be Joeckel, if they don't think they can get a deal done with Albert they may play Joeckel at RT for a year and let Albert walk.
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03-05-2013, 02:03 AM	#324
KurtCobain legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Independence, MO Casino cash: $-1537903	So.. Winston to the bench?
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03-05-2013, 02:03 AM	#325
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $4008880	They are STILL trying to project Jokell to us. It's pathetic. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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03-05-2013, 02:05 AM	#328
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2647050	Or hell Albert could be traded, people are still going to mock Joeckel to the Chiefs I guarantee it.
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03-05-2013, 02:05 AM	#329
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	dude we've invested three 2nd's in guards (Hudson, Asamoah, Allen)...and another 3rd on an OT (Stephenson)... and we invested a fair contract for another RT (Winston) PRETTY SURE we're now set at OL
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03-05-2013, 02:06 AM	#330
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $4008880	Those **sticks are OBSESSED with mocking the Chiefs a LT. They are convinced it's the root of the team's problems for some idiotic reason. We are damn fine on the OL, but that's still not stopping them. __________________ Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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