Chiefs Chiefs looking to Trade down - Page 5

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-25-2013, 08:35 PM

Chiefs | Looking to trade No. 1 pick?
Mon, 25 Feb 2013 07:36:51 -0800

The Kansas City Chiefs are seeking to move out from the No. 1 overall spot in the NFL Draft regardless if they acquire a quarterback via trade, according to multiple league executives.

Source: thesidelineview.com - Adam Caplan

htismaqe · 02-26-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

In the last 30 years, going back to the 1983 draft, the #1 pick has been traded:

1983 Bitchass Elway cries his way out of Indy. Obviously Indy lost big time.

1984 Pats traded 2 first rounders to get the #1 pick. Selected Irving Fryer. Bengals got Pete Koch and Brian Blados. Cincy loses.

2001 Chargers traded #1 pick to Falcons for Vick. Got LT and Brees. Didn't win shit. Falcons made the NFC title game, then Vick went to jail. Chargers lost.

2004 Chargers traded Eli for a shitload of pro-bowlers. Lost big time.

The point is when a team trades out of the top slot you get your ass handed to you. ALWAYS. There's a reason it doesn't happen very often.

But true fans like Frankie can convince themselves otherwise....

Beat me to it.

Teams that trade out of #1 get reamed.

Sounds like the PERFECT plan for the ****ing Chiefs.

I'm not sure I can even give them until the draft if they're this ****ing stupid.

**bevischief** · 02-26-2013, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief

somebody somewhere is laughing their ass off at how gullible we're all being.

KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN · 02-26-2013, 07:49 AM

I can't believe how many people believe everything they hear this time of year. It's 2 months until the draft takes place and people are going bonkers over every brokedick article that gets printed. Team personnel aren't going to tell us their draft plans even if they actually know what they're going to do themselves. Do you really think that Andy Reid spent 9 hours negotiating with Clark Hunt so he could play second fiddle to a rookie GM. Reid drafted McNabb and almost reached the pinnacle with him so it stands to reason that he will again choose a gifted quarterback to lead us to the promised land. Reid is driving this train and he doesn't want some mediocre castoff that he didn't draft and groom. Like Bill Parcells said "If I'm cooking the dinner then I want to shop for the ingredients". We're already light years ahead of where we were last year so sit back, relax, and enjoy the show!

suds79 · 02-26-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

2001 Chargers traded #1 pick to Falcons for Vick. Got LT and Brees. Didn't win shit. Falcons made the NFC title game, then Vick went to jail. Chargers lost

Not really disagreeing with your overall point. just saying on this example, come on man. You're being a little disingenuous.

So the Chargers "didn't win shit" as in didn't win the SB. Lets not pretend like they would have with Vick.

They passed on an exciting but overrated, disappointing career QB and got a HOF RB and a great QB they either let go before his prime or couldn't figure out the magic formula (that Sean Payton did). But the point stands that they drafted another future HOF player with that next pick.

Just saying this is a bad example IMO for what you're tryinig to say. That trade was a home run for the Chargers.

Shox · 02-26-2013, 08:05 AM

Conflicting Positions:

1. Many say we must take Geno #1. He may not be RGIII, but we are in bad need of a QB and Geno has many of the tools you look for in a QB. So me must take Geno. I think it is a valid position.

2. Then many of the same people step and say there is no way we can find a trading partner. Well if argument #1 is true, then it seem Buffalo, Jags, Jets, and Cardinals would all be interested in moving up to get Geno. You also have Joekel, many teams would love to have a LT to plug in for the next decade.

If the Chiefs believe Geno is not the answer and get Smith or Foles, trading down is a real possiblity. It may have to be a little bit of discount compared to other years, but I don't see a situation where there is no trading partners.

King_Chief_Fan · 02-26-2013, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

The Chiefs would love to trade down.

This is probably the worst year in a long time to have the #1 overall pick. The team will make the pick and just look around the room at each other and shrug their shoulders like eh? What else were we gonna do? And the LT will bust and be released just like Jake Long is gonna be after 4 years.

Here is my Opinion. Reid would take Geno if it were his call. Dorsey/Clark won't let him.

You really think that? Reid will get who ever he wants.

Bewbies · 02-26-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Not really disagreeing with your overall point. just saying on this example, come on man. You're being a little disingenuous.

So the Chargers "didn't win shit" as in didn't win the SB. Lets not pretend like they would have with Vick.

They passed on an exciting but overrated, disappointing career QB and got a HOF RB and a great QB they either let go before his prime or couldn't figure out the magic formula (that Sean Payton did). But the point stands that they drafted another future HOF player with that next pick.

Just saying this is a bad example IMO for what you're tryinig to say. That trade was a home run for the Chargers.

The Falcons made it further than the Chargers ever did yes? Brees didn't win until he left for New Orleans.

The Falcons won this trade, even though it's the closest to even of all of them in the last 30 years.

Rasputin · 02-26-2013, 08:24 AM

What ever team that drafts Geno Smith with our #1 pick from trade is going be my favorite team.

suds79 · 02-26-2013, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

The Falcons made it further than the Chargers ever did yes? Brees didn't win until he left for New Orleans.

The Falcons won this trade, even though it's the closest to even of all of them in the last 30 years.

So so the mark now is just playoff wins? Okay.

The Chargers got to the AFC Championship game. Had several playoff runs. LT was a part of all that.

Michael Vick's crowning achievement was winning a playoff game in GB.

No matter how you shake it, the trade was effectively Michael Vick for two HOF players.

Your original point is still valid. You could still say it doesn't work out for that team with the #1 pick 90+% of the time. And that would be true. But this is not one of them. Just isn't.

Bewbies · 02-26-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

So so the mark now is just playoff wins? Okay.

The Chargers got to the AFC Championship game. Had several playoff runs. LT was a part of all that.

Michael Vick's crowning achievement was winning a playoff game in GB.

No matter how you shake it, the trade was effectively Michael Vick for two HOF players.

Your original point is still valid. You could still say it doesn't work out for that team with the #1 pick 90+% of the time. And that would be true. But this is not one of them. Just isn't.

Brees didn't become a HOF player until he left. And that AFC title game came with Rivers at QB. Do you remember when the Falcons had the #1 pick again in 2004?

suds79 · 02-26-2013, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Brees didn't become a HOF player until he left. And that AFC title game came with Rivers at QB. Do you remember when the Falcons had the #1 pick again in 2004?

Right Brees became that later. But they still got that quality HOF player in the draft from that trade. We're talking about the draft trade. You're talking about the lack of coaching/system, whatever it was as to why it took him so long. Two different things.

And yes they got those playoffs runs when Rivers was there. So what? It's not like LT was a backup at that point. He was still a main cog of that offense.

LT alone has turned out to be better than Vick. Then you add Brees on top of that? Throw in the towl man. This one is a slam dunk.

Reerun_KC · 02-26-2013, 08:51 AM

If an irrelevant franchise could mess up the draft, it would be the Chiefs...

You dont become the Chiefs by doing the right thing.

You become the Chiefs by pushing for 9-7 and not screwing up the tailgating experience.

Trading the #1 pick tells you all you need to know about your failing franchise.

htismaqe · 02-26-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

If an irrelevant franchise could mess up the draft, it would be the Chiefs...

You dont become the Chiefs by doing the right thing.

You become the Chiefs by pushing for 9-7 and not screwing up the tailgating experience.

Trading the #1 pick tells you all you need to know about your failing franchise.

Reerun_KC · 02-26-2013, 08:56 AM

And dont come back with some value bullshit. Value does not win championships. Value is for quiters.

QBs win championships, 5 tech DL do not.

RINGLEADER · 02-26-2013, 09:02 AM

I think it's more likely we steal someone's #1 from next year for a swap of #2's and I would personally be for just such a move.

02-25-2013, 08:35 PM
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02-26-2013, 07:49 AM	#63
KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $9905574	I can't believe how many people believe everything they hear this time of year. It's 2 months until the draft takes place and people are going bonkers over every brokedick article that gets printed. Team personnel aren't going to tell us their draft plans even if they actually know what they're going to do themselves. Do you really think that Andy Reid spent 9 hours negotiating with Clark Hunt so he could play second fiddle to a rookie GM. Reid drafted McNabb and almost reached the pinnacle with him so it stands to reason that he will again choose a gifted quarterback to lead us to the promised land. Reid is driving this train and he doesn't want some mediocre castoff that he didn't draft and groom. Like Bill Parcells said "If I'm cooking the dinner then I want to shop for the ingredients". We're already light years ahead of where we were last year so sit back, relax, and enjoy the show!
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02-26-2013, 08:05 AM	#65
Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	Conflicting Positions: 1. Many say we must take Geno #1. He may not be RGIII, but we are in bad need of a QB and Geno has many of the tools you look for in a QB. So me must take Geno. I think it is a valid position. 2. Then many of the same people step and say there is no way we can find a trading partner. Well if argument #1 is true, then it seem Buffalo, Jags, Jets, and Cardinals would all be interested in moving up to get Geno. You also have Joekel, many teams would love to have a LT to plug in for the next decade. If the Chiefs believe Geno is not the answer and get Smith or Foles, trading down is a real possiblity. It may have to be a little bit of discount compared to other years, but I don't see a situation where there is no trading partners.
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02-26-2013, 08:24 AM	#68
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $3535421	What ever team that drafts Geno Smith with our #1 pick from trade is going be my favorite team.
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02-26-2013, 08:51 AM	#72
Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $8301160	If an irrelevant franchise could mess up the draft, it would be the Chiefs... You dont become the Chiefs by doing the right thing. You become the Chiefs by pushing for 9-7 and not screwing up the tailgating experience. Trading the #1 pick tells you all you need to know about your failing franchise.
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02-26-2013, 08:56 AM	#74
Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $8301160	And dont come back with some value bullshit. Value does not win championships. Value is for quiters. QBs win championships, 5 tech DL do not.
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02-26-2013, 09:02 AM	#75
RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8620503	I think it's more likely we steal someone's #1 from next year for a swap of #2's and I would personally be for just such a move.
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