Some undeniable truths about the Chiefs @ 23. - Page 3

Direckshun · 02-07-2014, 11:49 AM

12 facts that are incontrovertibly true, in my estimation.

1. Andy Reid's offense does not require elite WRs.

2. It does require fast route-runners who can get quick separation.

3. Those types of WRs are all over this draft.

4. The Chiefs are relatively satisfied with their play at CB: Flowers, Smith, and Cooper will be their top three guys in 2014, with Ron Parker up and coming.

5. This draft, like most drafts, is pretty deep at CB.

6. The value at QB, RB, and ILB is pretty weak at 23.

7. Probably will be weak at safety, as well, if Pryor or Clinton-Dix are off the board.

8. It is generally not wise to spend two first rounders at safety in a span of five years.

9. It is very unlikely the Chiefs cut Anthony Fasano. It would only save $1m against the cap.

10. Drafting a TE in the 1st round means that either Fasano ($4.5m in 2014), Kelce (last year's 3rd rounder), or the 1st rounder will become the 3rd TE.

11. The Draft value at OL (both guard and tackle) is very strong in the first couple rounds.

12. The value at DL and OLB is questionable, and will be further clarified after the Combine.

At this point, I would say it is far more likely that the Chiefs bring in OL or DL/OLB than any skill position player.

Direckshun · 02-08-2014, 08:51 PM

Ford is definitely an option in the 1st. For my money he's the third best pure passrusher in this draft, and he's a fit in the Hali role.

Direckshun · 02-08-2014, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka

Curious as to why Ford hasn't been projected higher sooner? Was he not a premier pass rusher all year for Auburn? The last two games I watched the man was unblockable.

Amen.

Don't give a shit about anything else. Ford can dominate.

OldSchool · 02-08-2014, 11:27 PM

I wonder, Malcolm Jenkins a possibility this off-season? Saints won't be able to bring him back with the salary cap problems that they have.

ChiefRocka · 02-09-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Amen.

Don't give a shit about anything else. Ford can dominate.

Freeney minus the patented spin move.

HolyHat · 02-09-2014, 12:44 PM

I like Dee Ford but once you win vs. him with initial punch he cant do shit.

RunKC · 02-09-2014, 01:01 PM

This team needs a DE in the worst way and right now all I see is Hageman, Tuitt and Donald.

After that it drops off big time. So, I think DE will be the pick. We all know Reid gets a chubby for fatties.

The value for pass rushers and WR's is enormous in this draft. Draft them in the 3rd, 4th and 5th round.

Also, I believe they will take a CB somewhere. There were looking pretty hard to CB's at the Senior Bowl. Lot of attention to CB's and WR's. Hmmm

OldSchool · 02-09-2014, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

This team needs a DE in the worst way and right now all I see is Hageman, Tuitt and Donald.

After that it drops off big time. So, I think DE will be the pick. We all know Reid gets a chubby for fatties.

The value for pass rushers and WR's is enormous in this draft. Draft them in the 3rd, 4th and 5th round.

Also, I believe they will take a CB somewhere. There were looking pretty hard to CB's at the Senior Bowl. Lot of attention to CB's and WR's. Hmmm

I'd honestly be fine with taking a mid rounder WR who is a good route runner and a dependable pass catcher over someone in the 1st.

TambaBerry · 02-09-2014, 04:43 PM

I think the pick will be corner if dennard or Gilbert is there.

Direckshun · 02-09-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRocka

Freeney minus the patented spin move.

That's honestly not a bad comparison.

If Ford is there at 23, he's probably in my top 3 or 4.

Direckshun · 02-09-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

This team needs a DE in the worst way and right now all I see is Hageman, Tuitt and Donald.

After that it drops off big time. So, I think DE will be the pick. We all know Reid gets a chubby for fatties.

The value for pass rushers and WR's is enormous in this draft. Draft them in the 3rd, 4th and 5th round.

Also, I believe they will take a CB somewhere. There were looking pretty hard to CB's at the Senior Bowl. Lot of attention to CB's and WR's. Hmmm

I am not sure how well Donald projects to 3-4 DE.

I'd be willing to find out, though...

I think we could probably skate by with Bailey at DE for a year, and there is some decent DE talent later in the draft -- Taylor Hart of Oregon comes to mind.

My guess is that the Chiefs bring TJax back in. But I'd love for them to take a shot at Hageman or Tuitt in the 1st. Tuitt's looking less and less likely, but he shouldn't be.

O.city · 02-09-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am not sure how well Donald projects to 3-4 DE.

I'd be willing to find out, though...

I think we could probably skate by with Bailey at DE for a year, and there is some decent DE talent later in the draft -- Taylor Hart of Oregon comes to mind.

My guess is that the Chiefs bring TJax back in. But I'd love for them to take a shot at Hageman or Tuitt in the 1st. Tuitt's looking less and less likely, but he shouldn't be.

Sorter · 02-09-2014, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am not sure how well Donald projects to 3-4 DE.

I'd be willing to find out, though...

I think we could probably skate by with Bailey at DE for a year, and there is some decent DE talent later in the draft -- Taylor Hart of Oregon comes to mind.

My guess is that the Chiefs bring TJax back in. But I'd love for them to take a shot at Hageman or Tuitt in the 1st. Tuitt's looking less and less likely, but he shouldn't be.

Care to enlighten me as to why Donald is a poor fit for KC/ why Hageman/Tuitt are clearly better fits?

O.city · 02-09-2014, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Care to enlighten me as to why Donald is a poor fit for KC/ why Hageman/Tuitt are clearly better fits?

Size. I dunno that he could hold up at de, but he is strong like bull.

Sorter · 02-09-2014, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Size. I dunno that he could hold up at de, but he is strong like bull.

I guess it's a bummer we'd have a player to split reps with in Allen Bailey, as well as a DC that utilizes a variable front philosophy, ensuring he's not 2-gapping every single play.

O.city · 02-09-2014, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

I guess it's a bummer we'd have a player to split reps with in Allen Bailey, as well as a DC that utilizes a variable front philosophy, ensuring he's not 2-gapping every single play.

Yeah and I actually think he could play nose and kick Poe outside in nickel sets.

But I think Hageman has higher upside

02-07-2014, 11:49 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	Some undeniable truths about the Chiefs @ 23. 12 facts that are incontrovertibly true, in my estimation. 1. Andy Reid's offense does not require elite WRs. 2. It does require fast route-runners who can get quick separation. 3. Those types of WRs are all over this draft. 4. The Chiefs are relatively satisfied with their play at CB: Flowers, Smith, and Cooper will be their top three guys in 2014, with Ron Parker up and coming. 5. This draft, like most drafts, is pretty deep at CB. 6. The value at QB, RB, and ILB is pretty weak at 23. 7. Probably will be weak at safety, as well, if Pryor or Clinton-Dix are off the board. 8. It is generally not wise to spend two first rounders at safety in a span of five years. 9. It is very unlikely the Chiefs cut Anthony Fasano. It would only save $1m against the cap. 10. Drafting a TE in the 1st round means that either Fasano ($4.5m in 2014), Kelce (last year's 3rd rounder), or the 1st rounder will become the 3rd TE. 11. The Draft value at OL (both guard and tackle) is very strong in the first couple rounds. 12. The value at DL and OLB is questionable, and will be further clarified after the Combine. At this point, I would say it is far more likely that the Chiefs bring in OL or DL/OLB than any skill position player.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	Ford is definitely an option in the 1st. For my money he's the third best pure passrusher in this draft, and he's a fit in the Hali role.
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