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Old 04-23-2019, 08:09 PM  
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Avengers (4) Endgame - Spoilers Welcome Thread

Since Endgame is probably one of the most anticipated films we've had here in a while, let's quarantine all discussion from those who have seen the film (or who have otherwise read spoilers). If you don't want to see stuff get spoiled, stay out!

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Old 04-26-2019, 09:12 AM   #31
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Gonna be interesting to see what the next iteration of the Avengers will be, how they get there and who the villains are. I think everyone with a signature in the credits is done with the series.

Tony, Widow and Steve obviously...

Hawkeye retired, Thor finding himself

Maybe Professor Hulk stays around, or takes up a mentor role

No Vision, so not sure how the Vision/Scarlet witch tv show will work

Guess the falcon/winter soldier series is now Captain America/winter soldier

Black Widow will be in the past

Hawkeye could be past or training the daughter in the future
Why not go get her like they did gamorra? Gomorra died to the soul Stone and got her with time travel. You can do the same for her and vision.
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Old 04-26-2019, 09:13 AM   #32
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Are you talking about Maria Hill? (Cobie Smulders)
No idea, I believe she was after the kid. I will need to rewatch.
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Old 04-26-2019, 09:18 AM   #33
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It may be as late as 2024 before we see x-men or fantastic 4.

Gamora is going to be fun now, her and Quill. Def like Thor with that group.

Although that part of their time travel rule set was a little iffy.

The stones had to be returned. So what about Gamora. Or Mjolnir. They're gone now, from 2015 to 2024.

And if Thanos and everyone with him were wiped from the timeline, then his original snap never happened, since the version of him they defeated predated Infinity War. So there was no reason to go back in time to collect the stones. But then the don't defeat him before the snap.

Quite the bizarre loop if you try to follow it.
I think he snapped the villains and their shops. But no idea how gamorra disappeared, quill was searching for her. But she also ditched her sister.

Also, they brought everyone back from the snap. But 5 years in the future. So Peter is still in the same grade. How is his buddy still there? I guess he could of been snapped also. Guess we will find out in other movies.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:40 AM   #34
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It was great but I kept watching the movie thinking they were trying too hard to be funny. America's ass, Tony saying shit to his five year old multiple times, once is fine, but if the joke doesn't land the first time, the second time it's just overkill. Also the last scene with Thor joining the Guardians on their ship should've been a way funnier moment of Starlord and Thor fighting over power, it was funny when Mantis asks that they use knives, but everything else was just awkward staring and smiling. Thor's scene with his mother was one of the best scene's of the movie and that's what I've always liked about the Thor movies is their ability to introduce a weak side to him, a mortal side if you will.

I also wished they would've spent less time with the one on one human elements of the movie in the beginning and more on the final battle, giving characters their just do. Some of the characters come back, and they get nothing besides a few action shots. Then the most annoying thing that got carried over from Iron Man 3 was Pepper being such a pro in the Iron Man suit. Back then she was able to all of a sudden kick an explosive into the air, roundhouse kick it towards the bad guy, then use the iron man blaster arm to shoot it deadeye. In this movie, her inclusion in the final battle was annoying to me how her and Tony are just flying around in unison destroying faces together and then the women against Thanos scene. Maybe she's been practicing in the Rescue armor the last five years, after she was absolutely pissed about Tony continuously being Iron Man against her wishes.

Getting all the women together, like literally every single one, marching towards Thanos... I guess every man on Team Avengers just took those scenes off or under the extreme coincidence actually fighting in other places when the bulk of the fight, Thanos and the Black Order were all charging that particular point of women. I don't have any problems with women kicking ass, but when you openly pander to it and throw all men out, it's like the new Ghostbusters. Men and women can fight together, if you think you're being sexist one way by only showing men being the asskickers, you're being sexist the opposite way as well by actively excluding male participation. If they would've had Iron Man carrying the gauntlet to try to get to the van and then Captain America says "He's not alone!" Then all the men gather together and start charging the lines while the women are completely left out of the shot... tell me that's not pandering to men in that scenario. If you want to be equal then start being equal to both instead of trying to draw out applause from one half of the theater, and eye rolls from the other half. When they did it in Infinity War you could reason that there's a good chance there were no men around what so ever and it just ended up being four women in an area fighting. When they did it in Endgame, there's just no damn way.

I also have some gripes with Cap using Mjolnir. Picking it up, fine, calling it back to him when everyone shows back up, okay I'll bite... but how the hell is he channeling lightning into that thing? Odin even says it in Ragnarok, "Are you Thor, the God of Hammers?" Lightning always came from within Thor, not the Hammer. The Hammer can be lifted and wielded by those who are worthy, but my inner nerd was thinking during the awesomeness that was Cap during that sequence, that it was kinda bullshit.

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Old 04-26-2019, 10:54 AM   #35
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I thought it was a little cringy, but I'm a dude, so they didn't do it for me. Which is why I don't have a problem with women getting a 10-second group-up in a 3 hour movie. Especially after they killed-off Nat, literally the only female OG Avenger (I thought Clint should have been the one to die there, but it's not a big thing).

I think every woman and girl in the theater cheered when that scene happened. Loudest moment for the crowd that didn't involve Cap and Mjolnir.
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Old 04-26-2019, 11:24 AM   #36
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I also have some gripes with Cap using Mjolnir. Picking it up, fine, calling it back to him when everyone shows back up, okay I'll bite... but how the hell is he channeling lightning into that thing? Odin even says it in Ragnarok, "Are you Thor, the God of Hammers?" Lightning always came from within Thor, not the Hammer. The Hammer can be lifted and wielded by those who are worthy, but my inner nerd was thinking during the awesomeness that was Cap during that sequence, that it was kinda bullshit.
If you lift the hammer you posess the power of Thor, all-inclusive. The point was Thor doesn't need the hammer to have his own powers.
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Old 04-26-2019, 11:31 AM   #37
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If you lift the hammer you posess the power of Thor, all-inclusive. The point was Thor doesn't need the hammer to have his own powers.
I just always took it that was just used by Anthony Hopkins in Thor 1 so that his powers would be stripped until he became a man again. I didn't think of it as carrying on as if someone is worthy to lift Mjolnir they get Thor's lightning ability too.
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Old 04-26-2019, 11:31 AM   #38
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I thought it was a little cringy, but I'm a dude, so they didn't do it for me. Which is why I don't have a problem with women getting a 10-second group-up in a 3 hour movie. Especially after they killed-off Nat, literally the only female OG Avenger (I thought Clint should have been the one to die there, but it's not a big thing).

I think every woman and girl in the theater cheered when that scene happened. Loudest moment for the crowd that didn't involve Cap and Mjolnir.
Yeah, minor gripes from me though it was a great movie. In fact it was alot, my sister wants to go see it on Sunday and I'm almost like, gimme a week to digest it then I'll go see it again.
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Old 04-26-2019, 11:42 AM   #39
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I'd give it 3.5/5.

There's a lot of points that people made that I agree with.

I feel the Infinity War was better.
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Fat Thor was so hilarious.

I was really hoping they’d make a joke from Starlord to follow up him being called fat when he met Thor in Infinity War.
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Old 04-26-2019, 12:49 PM   #41
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BTW, did anyone else question how future Nebula killed her past self and still lived
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Well, the fact that Thanos and his whole crew died before Infinity War is probably a bigger problem. To me everything points to the past timelines actually being alternate universes except old Cap showing up at the end.

On the other hand this could be early setup for the next thing. Something like Infinity/Secret Wars arc, where time travel paradoxes are causing the multiverse to collapse in on itself. Also the whole thing the Ancient Ones goes into about how removing one Infinity Stone ****s up the timeline, and they now live in a universe with zero Infinity stones.
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Old 04-26-2019, 03:25 PM   #43
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Few things:

-why didn’t they use the time stone to bring Tony back to life? Thanos did that with Vision in IW
-Tony gets a big funeral but Natasha doesn’t? Damn
-is Loki still alive in an alternate timeline?
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BTW, did anyone else question how future Nebula killed her past self and still lived

They explained that, indirectly, with the mocking of previous time travel movies and other conversational tidbits. They (the characters) followed the standard in-universe space/time laws right up until they reversed the original snap of Thanos. Reversing the snap caused Time to manifest as a universal force that attempted to invalidate the snap reversal. From the snap reversal on forward chronologically in the movie the time stream had been reset, and everything after it became new fixed points in time, with some critical events from before the snap reversal possibly entangled into the new time stream. It is certainly possible though that Nebula is now a combination of the new "good" and old "evil" Nebula as they shared minds.
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The SJW shit was so cringe worthy and obvious. Thor was the best. Made the whole movie. Everything else went exactly as the majority thought it would. Deaths and Staying in the past. Solid ending to an epic phase of a monstrous franchise. IDK if I care enough to watch anything after GotG and Spidey in the future.


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