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The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


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Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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Old 04-30-2022, 06:04 PM   #886
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Im also heavily torn between trying to “field” the best team next season vs. drafting the players I think will have the best careers even if they aren’t at positions of need and will leave me with dogshit at key positions.
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Old 04-30-2022, 07:11 PM   #887
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Im also heavily torn between trying to ďfieldĒ the best team next season vs. drafting the players I think will have the best careers even if they arenít at positions of need and will leave me with dogshit at key positions.
That's where I'm sitting with a couple picks right now.
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Old 04-30-2022, 10:24 PM   #888
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This is where I’m currently at - I reserve the right to tinker a bit more. I’m very torn on what to do with #103.

#1 - 29: Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State (Jets)
#1 - 30: George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue (Chiefs)
#2 - 50: Skyy Moore, WR, Western Michigan (Chiefs)
#2 - 62: Travis Jones, DT, UConn (Ravens)
#3 - 94 : Nick Cross, S, Maryland (Colts)
#3 - 103: Leo Chanel, LB, Wisconsin (Chiefs) OR Dameon Pierce, RB, Florida (Texans)
#4 - 121: Darian Kinnard, OG/OT, Kentucky (Chiefs)
#4 - 135: Eric Johnson, DT, Missouri State (Colts)
#6 - 208: Tariq Castro-Fields, CB, Penn State (49ers)
#7 - 233: Rasheed Walker, OT, Penn State (Packers)
#7 - 251: Kellen Diesch, OT, Arizona State (UDFA - Dolphins)
#7 - 259: Johnathan Garibay, K, Texas Tech (UDFA - Cowboys)

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Old 04-30-2022, 10:42 PM   #889
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This is where Iím currently at - I reserve the right to tinker a bit more. Iím very torn on what to do with #103.

#1 - 29: Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State (Jets)
#1 - 30: George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue (Chiefs)
#2 - 50: Skyy Moore, WR, Western Michigan (Chiefs)
#2 - 62: Travis Jones, DT, UConn (Ravens)
#3 - 94 : Nick Cross, S, Maryland (Colts)
#3 - 103: Leo Chanel, LB, Wisconsin (Chiefs) OR Dameon Pierce, RB, Florida (Texans)
#4 - 121: Darian Kinnard, OG/OT, Kentucky (Chiefs)
#4 - 135: Eric Johnson, DT, Missouri State (Colts)
#6 - 208: Tariq Castro-Fields, CB, Penn State (49ers)
#7 - 233: Rasheed Walker, OT, Penn State (Packers)
#7 - 251: Kellen Diesch, OT, Arizona State (UDFA - Dolphins)
#7 - 259: Johnathan Garibay, K, Texas Tech (UDFA - Cowboys)
I forgot you're one of the lucky bastards that can trade Tyreek.

I don't want to sway your opinion before you settle on your draft but I know what I'd do and it's not even a difficult decision in my mind.
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Old 04-30-2022, 10:49 PM   #890
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I forgot you're one of the lucky bastards that can trade Tyreek.

I don't want to sway your opinion before you settle on your draft but I know what I'd do and it's not even a difficult decision in my mind.
Haha, I do know what you’d do (assuming you’re referring to #203) and that’s honestly the direction I’m leaning too. My only hang up is that it would leave me with this at LB (non-tenable):

OLB:
Willie Gay Jr. (Chiefs)

ILB:
Anthony Hitchens (TBD)
Jermaine Carter (Chiefs*)
Isaiah McDuffie (Packers)

There Isn’t an alternative after Chanel that I think adds value this season at LB.
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Haha, I do know what youíd do (assuming youíre referring to #203) and thatís honestly the direction Iím leaning too. My only hang up is that it would leave me with this at LB (non-tenable):

OLB:
Willie Gay Jr. (Chiefs)

ILB:
Anthony Hitchens (TBD)
Jermaine Carter (Chiefs*)
Isaiah McDuffie (Packers)

There Isnít an alternative after Chanel that I think adds value this season at LB.
Chanel is the end of the line IMO too. I'm a huge fan of Chanel. Maybe Smith at 120 but it's too expensive just to move up 1 slot.

I wish we had a sliding scale of devaluation like 15% for 1st round picks, 12.5% for 2nd, 10% for 3rd, and so on and it worked both ways (up or down). My reasoning is I can't even move up 1 spot from 5-173 with all 4 of my 7ths because of the devaluation. Moving down is so incredibly bad it's basically not even in my thought process.
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Filling my biggest hole at Edge is easy unless I try to get cute and take a shot at a potential #1 WR.

If I opt to go for Edge at 30, then it's what I do after that I'm struggling with. Do I take a few really good football players and make my roster really solid just about everywhere or do I package a few picks and take a stab at trying to get a potentially good WR? The last thing I need is to end up with yet another #2 or slot because my roster is stacked with those.

In either of those scenarios, I'd be nervous about my RT situation.

My "smart" top 2 picks are George Karlaftis and Abraham Lucas.

If I get cute and go with Christian Watson at 30 in a balls-deep stab to get a #1 WR, then I "should" move up for an Edge in the 2nd or 3rd that isn't going to be as good as GK. If I do that, I'm not getting those roster fillers I want in the 3rd round and may have to rely on a guy like Kinnard actually becoming a RT.

I'm leaning the safe route, but man I like the situation Watson is in.
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I had the following draft pick transactions:
  • Did not have Tyreek Hill on my roster so I cannot trade to gain those picks.
  • Rejected the Orlando Brown, Jr. trade last year so I retain pick 5-173.
  • Accepted the Mike Huges trade so I gain 7-233 and lose my 6th.
  • Accepted the Yasir Durant trade so I gain 7-243.
This leaves me with selections 1-30, 2-62, 3-94, 3-103 (Poles Comp), 4-135, 5-173, 7-233 (MIN), 7-243 (NE), 7-251, 7-259 (Comp).

I am not making any in-draft transactions and make the following selections (click name to view highlight video):

1-30 | George Karlaftis, ER, Purdue (6’4” 266, 1-30 KC)
After being strong at edge for years, I find myself left with Matt Judon and little else. Karlaftis was one of my favorites in this class and the fact he went to KC in this spot makes it even easier to make this selection. Karlafits brings incredible drive and relentlessness to the front and wins with power, which I’m quite high on (and has produced really good results for me). With Judon already in my mix, Karlaftis is the perfect Maxx Crosby-like compliment on the other side.

2-62 | Bernhard Raimann, OT, Central Michigan (6’6” 307, 3-77 IND)
The tackle spot last year was a glaring weakness when Teven Jenkins went down early on, and Wylie didn’t secure the starting spot at right tackle until midway through the season. I have to address the position. I really wish it didn't look like Chicago is going to move Teven Jenkins to the right side because I'd run to the podium for Abraham Lucas. That said, Jenkins at RT could be excellent but now I'm left with pretty limited options for a LT and I'm just not willing to give up my 1, 2, 3, and 5 to go up for Penning. This pick comes down to Nicholas Petit-Frere and Bernhard Raimann, both of which look like solid developmental left tackles. The question for me to answer is who I think has the best chance of playing right away and for me that's Raimann who has outstanding athleticism and better strength.

3-94 | Leo Chenal, LB, Wisconsin (6’3” 250, 3-103 KC)
I’m still quite appalled that Kansas City took Chenal who I had on my shortlist for this particular exercise since day one. Chenal is all sorts of nasty, will shut down the run, and can blitz from the strong side with incredible effectiveness. I’m thrilled to add him to my corps that includes two good, rangier linebackers in Logan Wilson and Cole Holcomb. My unit is set with young, athletic guys that each add their own stamp to the game.

3-103 | Cade Otton, TE, Washington (6’5” 247, 4-106 TB)
I’m a bit more concerned over depth at tight end than the Chiefs are if something were to happen to Kelce so I’m going to go out and get me a solid backup that may just make this team even more dynamic. Otton is a technically sound route runner with solid speed and really good hands. I think he’s going to end up being a quality starter in this league for quite some time.

4-135 | Tyler Allgeier, RB, Brigham Young (5’11” 224, 5-151 ATL)
I really thought about hedging my bets at right tackle here and adding Darian Kinnard but I’d be remiss if I didn’t say I’m not 100% confident in Kinnard’s ability to translate outside even though I love him as a prospect. Meanwhile, I really could use another badass RB to compliment Aaron Jones after Chris Carson went down last year (and his future doesn’t look good). I’d like more stability than just a one-year contract to Ronald Jones. Allgeier is a punishing runner with plenty of lateral agility, good vision, and enough speed to make you pay. I really like this kid and he’s one of the few I had my eyes on on day three.

5-173 | Christian Benford, CB, Villanova (6’1” 208, 6-185 BUF)
I could use CB depth but I don’t have the fundamental needs the real Chiefs do given I’ve addressed the position the last couple years with Paulson Adebo (stud) and Byron Murphy to go with Sneed and Baker. I’m taking my shot on Benford who led the FCS in pass breakups last season and totalled 137 tackles, 47 passes defensed, and 14 interceptions in 36 career games. He has plus height and speed and should have a solid shot to make the roster.

7-233 | Rasheed Walker, OT, Penn State (6’6” 313, 7-249 GB)
And so begins the handful of late picks that probably never amount to anything but I’ve gotta throw the darts. I like Walker’s ability as a pass blocker. He might take a year or two to really turn into a quality player but he has some really good tools to start with. He has enough athleticism he could end up a left or right tackle and enough power, if it can be channeled correctly in the run game, to be a guard. This is a developmental pick that I may let marinate and see what I get.

7-243 | Jeffrey Gunter, ER, Coastal Carolina (6’4” 258, 7-252 CIN)
Look, this is a 100% shot in the dark on a guy I don’t think makes a 53-man roster this year but he’s got some really good athleticism to work with. If he can learn any kind of technique and how to convert speed to power effectively, he could work his way into a rotation. I’m going to take a chance he develops more quickly than not, and given I have a couple of turds already on my roster I might just give him that shot.

7-251 | Justyn Ross, WR, Clemson (6'4" 205, UDFA KC)
I've been a huge fan of what Ross brings to the table throughout the draft process. His concerns over his spinal condition and foot were daunting, despite a 1st or 2nd round skillset. Ross reminds me a ton of AJ Green when he's healthy, and he certainly could be a big surprise. For me, I'm banking on his health and return to his form as a Freshman in the ACC where he dominated on a roster that also included Tee Higgins and Hunter Renfrow.

7-259 | Nazeeh Johnson, FS, Marshall (5’10” 199, 7-259 KC)
The last thing I need is a safety but I’ve been enamored with Johnson all offseason and I’m pretty thrilled the Chiefs drafted him, so I’m sticking with the pick here and adding him to my deep group and hoping he’ll stick as a nickel defender that can shut down the slot in the mold of Tyrann Mathieu. What I really love about Johnson is he’s athletic as hell and gets his hands on a ton of balls with his sticky coverage. I think Johnson is one of the bigger sleeper picks in this entire draft.

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kccrow apparently approves of the Chiefs draft.

I'm working on mine, but am battling a big work deadline at the moment that's taking all of my synapses.
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Okay, without further ado, here's my 2022 draft.

First, I didn't have the right draft picks to make any of the Chiefs' draft day trades, so none of those were on the table for me. I'm standing pat with my base picks with no trade ups or trade downs.

1-30 -George Karlaftis, DE (Chiefs) – I agree with the Chiefs here and our needs overlap. I have a lot of trouble drafting defensive ends, so I hope George can lock down a position.

Others considered: I very strongly considered Logan Hall at DE and would have taken him other than some concern whether he might move inside to DT. I also briefly considered Roger McCreary (CB) and Andrew Booth (CB), and a took passing look at trading down for Troy Andersen (OLB).

2-62 – Nakobe Dean, ILB (Eagles) – This was a tough pick because I had a lot of guys I like. My linebacking corps has been a perennial weak spot so I’ll invest more this year to try to get some established starters.

Others considered: I was inches from taking Malik Willis here as a developmental play. But Russell Wilson is 33 and in the modern era I can see him playing for five more years or longer. I’m rolling the dice here that I can find a QB a couple of years from now and that Russell won’t retire once he starts playing for a disorganized and hapless franchise. I also briefly looked at Matt Corral instead of Malik, but liked Malik better.

I also considered three other strong ILB prospects, in order: Chad Muma, Christian Harris, and Brian Asamoah. I liked all of them but decided to roll with Nakobe.

And finally, I was intrigued by Bernhard Raimann, but don’t have an immediate need at offensive tackle.

3-94 – Coby Bryant, CB (Seahawks) – My cornerback position is okay but declining. Coby will be a great talent addition.

Others considered: David Bell was intriguing at WR, and I took a brief look at Brian Robinson at RB.

3-103 – Leo Chenal, OLB (Chiefs) – Easy choice here. Chenal was my draft crush even before the Chiefs took him, and OLB is a huge need for me.

Others considered: None, really. If Chenal wasn’t there I would’ve considered WR Danny Gray.

4-135 – Khalil Shakir, WR (Bills). I’ve been having talent shortages at WR for a while. It wasn’t a big priority with some free agents coming in, but Shakir seems like a good value here.

Others considered: I was very intrigued by Malcolm Rodriguez (ILB) and would have drafted him if I didn’t already pick up an ILB earlier in the draft. Others who got consideration were (in descending order) Kingsley Enagbare (LB), Darian Kinnard (OT), Calvin Austin III (WR), D'Marco Jackson (ILB), Sam Howell (QB), John Ridgeway (DT), Braxton Jones (OT), and Thomas Booker (DT). There was a big gap between this pick and my next one, so I had a lot of talent to consider.

6-191 – Grant Calcaterra, TE (Eagles). I need some tight end depth and he seemed like a good value.

Others considered: Jailen Nailor (WR) and Tyler Badie (RB)

6-209 – Kalia Davis, DT (49ers). This isn't an area of need, but it seemed like the best value.

Others considered: Bo Melton (WR), Tariq Castro-Fields (CB)

7-251 – Isaih Pacheco, RB (Chiefs) – I don’t really need a running back, but I like his speed.

Others considered: Strongly considered Jeffrey Gunter (DE). If I hadn't already taken two defensive linemen I would've gone with Gunter.

7-259 – Carson Strong, QB (Eagles) – This is a risk/reward play. The odds are apparently low, but there’s a chance that his knee will be okay and I’ll get a good quarterback prospect cheap.

Others considered: I really liked Verone McKinley III (S) and Aaron Hansford (LB). I think all three of these guys have a good chance of becoming contributors.
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I apologize in advance: with so many picks, I just can’t motivate myself to transcribe in depth / meaningful prospect analysis for each pick. I threw in some narrative that I assume no one but me will actually read.

I’ll also own that I may have re-evaluated and plagiarized a pick or two after seeing Rainman’s selections.

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#1 - 29: Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State (Jets)

I think Breece is going to be a top 5 RB in the league sooner rather than later, and I don’t think CEH will ever be a reliable/extended #1 for me. Time to upgrade.

#1 - 30: George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue (Chiefs)

Just like the Chiefs, I desperately need DE help. Karlaftis brings he best value at this point.

Others strongly considered: Arnold Ebiketie, DE, Penn State & Daxon Hill, S, Michigan

#2 - 50: Skyy Moore, WR, Western Michigan (Chiefs)

Moore isn’t my favorite player, but I think he’s set up for success and I want that success to be a part of my team.

#2 - 62: Nakobe Dean, LB, Georgia (Eagles)

Rainman inspired me to relook at the latest news on Deans medicals. I need to reinforce my LB corps and Dean is incredible value at this point if healthy. I trust that he is. I hate giving up Travis Jones, but my hope is that with Dean and Chanel I will be set at LB for years to come.

Others strongly considered: Travis Jones, DT, UConn

#3 - 94 : Nick Cross, S, Maryland (Colts)

Smart and rangy safety with good measurables? Yes please.

#3 - 103: Leo Chanel, LB, Wisconsin (Chiefs)

I hate passing on Pierce, but Chanel is a stud. Between Chanel and Dean I should be set at LB for a few years.

Others strongly considered: Dameon Pierce, RB, Florida

#4 - 121: Darian Kinnard, OG/OT, Kentucky (Chiefs)

I need a RT. Hard to argue with Veach that Kinnard is the best bet at this point.

#4 - 135: Eric Johnson, DT, Missouri State (Colts)

Johnson is an athletic freak and my confidence in him is he reason I was willing to take Nakobe Dean over Travis Jones. I think Johnson will be an all pro and genuinely think this is one of my safest/easiest picks.

#6 - 208: Tariq Castro-Fields, CB, Penn State (49ers)

Throwing a dart. Castro-Fields was generally ranked 50-75 slots higher by most rankings. Needs to work on his decision making, but the potential is there.

Others strongly considered: Chasen Hines, OG, LSU

#7 - 233: Rasheed Walker, OT, Penn State (Packers)

Taking another shot at a RT. Walker is a developmental prospect.

#7 - 251: Carson Strong, QB, Nevada (UDFA - Eagles)

Carrying Henne / Buechelle does nothing for me in this game. Taking a chance to have two starting caliber QBs on my roster!

#7 - 259: Justyn Ross, WR, Clemson (UDFA - Chiefs)

I have picks to burn. I don’t want to be the idiot (like 31 NFL GMs) who passed on Ross when he has the potential to be a stud. Can he stay healthy? We shall see.

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I'll read every word, kellerfox.

It's interesting to see you taking a flyer on Carson Strong as well. It sounds like he's kind of a long shot, but the potential payoff is huge if he can play.
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kccrow apparently approves of the Chiefs draft.

I'm working on mine, but am battling a big work deadline at the moment that's taking all of my synapses.
I'm very high on it. My only quarrel, and it's quite small, is the trade-up for McDuffie. I love McDuffie, don't get me wrong, but with Elam, Gordon, and Booth sitting there as well I think I would have taken what fell to me and retained those picks if my thought was that a DE was actually going to fall to me at 30.

That 3rd, as we saw, would have snagged one of the top TEs in this draft and I really think it was a mistake not to get a value at that point from this class. The Chiefs are not at all strong behind Kelce.

That trade also cost a 4th that would have put the Chiefs in a prime position to take a good RB.

It's all hindsight though, and I think Veach did well. Karlaftis, Chenal, and Kinnard were pretty awesome values IMO and I'm quite high on McDuffie, Moore and Johnson to boot.
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I'll be most interested to see how both of you taking Dean works out. I would have gone for Muma there myself so maybe we can compare apples in a couple of years.

I like your picks of Bryant and Calcaterra Rainman. Both could be sneaky good values. I was really high on Bryant pre-draft and strongly considered going with the same two players in the 3rd as you did, but I just couldn't get over my thing for Otton.

I like your pick of Johnson in the 4th kellerfox. You'll never find me a fan of going RB in round 1, no matter how much I might like one. That said, if I were ever to do it it would be for a guy like Hall who looks to be a complete package of size, speed, and ability. Don't know if I could have pulled that trigger, but I get it.
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