NFL endorses criminal-justice reform bill in the midst of anthem debate

[Eleazar]

NFL endorses criminal-justice reform bill in the midst of anthem debate

By Karoun Demirjian and Beth Reinhard
The Washington Post
October 16



The National Football League, still in political crosshairs over whether players should take a knee during the national anthem, is throwing its weight behind another cause in Washington’s debate over racial inequality: criminal justice reform.

The NFL’s spokesman said on Monday that the league has decided to endorse a bipartisan bill to reduce mandatory minimum sentences for low-level drug offenders, eliminate “three-strike” provisions that require life sentences and give judges more latitude to reduce sentences for certain low-level crimes.

“We felt that this was an issue over the last months, as we have continued to work with our players on issues of equality and on issues of criminal justice reform, that was surfaced for us, and we thought it was appropriate to lend our support to it,” NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart said Monday during a conference call with reporters.

The owners appear to be seeking middle ground between football players and their critics during a heated national debate over the growing phenomenon of players kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality and racial inequality. It is not clear what effect the NFL’s effort will have on that debate — or on President Trump, who has fueled much of the vitriol against kneeling players through his personal and official Twitter accounts.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.1f86c6a1bf32

So, hoping to curry favor with the players who are kneeling, the NFL is endorsing a piece of soft-on-crime legislation. The optics of that are amusing.

Goodell's winking and nodding at the kneeling players will probably just encourage them to take it further, not make them respect the country again. The NFL will not be better off for bowing to them. Look at Mizzou.

The NFL doesn't seem to understand what's happening here at all. Fans do not want the NFL to be political. Fans are not going to be amused by Roger Goodell wading into politics. ESPN has already made this mistake by becoming another politicized media outlet... it's fascinating that Goodell thinks the way to resolve the fan ire over this conflict is to make the NFL more political.

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by Stinky Nuts McGee

Anyone ever going to propose an actual solution? Or is everyone going to continue to bitch and protest and hope the problem fixes itself?

What do they think the average person can do about this? I don't control the justice system.

Bennett, the sack of shit liar says they shouldn't even be talking until Kap gets a job. So obviously, he really cares about real change.

[DaneMcCloud]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...local-support/

The Jets, playing in America’s biggest television market, are down a whopping 37 percent. Only three teams — the Chiefs, Buccaneers and Lions — have improved their local ratings by more than 5 percent.



Well, the overwhelming majority of Chiefs fans disagree with GloryDayz and his ilk.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So violent crime has been trending downward for over two decades, but the increase in violent crime is what has driven an explosion in the prison population?

Makes sense.

Also, could someone please provide me with paired examples of the "moral decline" of this country and how such behaviors correlate with increasing crimes?



From B_Ambuehl's own source.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by ping2000

Bennett, the sack of shit liar says they shouldn't even be talking until Kap gets a job. So obviously, he really cares about real change.

Still cant believe the pass he got for his big fat Las Vegas lie

The media didnt have a damn thing to say when his story was blown up

[bigjosh]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

So violent crime has been trending downward for over two decades, but the increase in violent crime is what has driven an explosion in the prison population?

Makes sense.

Also, could someone please provide me with paired examples of the "moral decline" of this country and how such behaviors correlate with increasing crimes?



From B_Ambuehl's own source.

[bigjosh]

I dont know where you and Barry Latzer of the WSJ get your shitty information, But the Federal BOP paints a completely different picture. I will say it again, MOST people in prison are in for drug charges, and violent crime doesnt even come ****ing close.

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Source : https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics...e_offenses.jsp

[B_Ambuehl]

That's federal. Yes federal does have a lot of drug offenders, but those are federally charged drug dealers. Less than 1% of those are from drug USE. State prisons are where the majority are violent crime related.

[B_Ambuehl]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

So violent crime has been trending downward for over two decades, but the increase in violent crime is what has driven an explosion in the prison population?

Makes sense.

Also, could someone please provide me with paired examples of the "moral decline" of this country and how such behaviors correlate with increasing crimes?

From B_Ambuehl's own source.

The idea is that violent crime started trending downward at the same time violent incarceration increased, thus more violent criminals were being locked up longer instead of out on the streets where they could commit more crimes. So violent crime goes down while prison population goes up.

Since the 1960's there's been no secret what causes crime. Whether drug related or violent crime the root of it is poverty. Problem is, the areas with the most poverty also have the highest birth rates, so it never gets better:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ome-in-the-us/

At the core is destruction of the family unit, with an ever increasing percentage of single parent households in high crime areas:

https://newsone.com/1195075/children...-u-s-american/

72 Percent Of Black Kids Raised By Single Parent, 25% Overall In U.S.

Those stats haven't changed much since the 60's when they were first brought to peoples attention. In fact they've gotten a little worse. Read the Moynihan report where all this was predicted back in the 60's, for the same reasons I described:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ition/404632/#

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Lots of bullshit in this thread. Nobody goes to prison for 1st time minor offenses. Low level offenders are given chances again and again and again.

Only 16% of incarcerated are in prison for drug crimes, 53% are in for violent crimes. Of those in for drug crimes 96% of those incarcerated are dealers, not users. New prisons do get built and there is big industry around it, but thats because most prisons are overbooked and overcrowded.

There are more violent offenders in prison because they carry longer sentences. There is still an extraordinarily high frequency of arrests for nonviolent crimes. And those arrests more often than not these days are the gateway drug for breeding future criminals.

The idea that we are significantly significantly significantly higher in crime the past 20 years and you want to attribute that to political leanings? Give me a break. Arrests skyrocketed when the war on drugs started. Since then it's been a steady increase well past population inflation. There are over 500k arrests per year for small pot possession and 75% of kids go to juvy for nonviolent offenses. That's pretty counter to your notion that nobody goes to jail. And for what? Do people feel like the streets are safer because of this?

[Rausch]

NFL = MU administration...

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

QFT. Excellent post!



10000% increase in planned parenthood funding in high crime areas for a start. Young people in those areas need to have it pounded into their head from an early age what the statistics are and the likely consequences of having children out of wedlock and/or without an education or decent career prospects.

That won't make a difference. People in poverty have kids because the government rewards them for it. Unfortunately.

[B_Ambuehl]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There are more violent offenders in prison because they carry longer sentences. There is still an extraordinarily high frequency of arrests for nonviolent crimes. And those arrests more often than not these days are the gateway drug for breeding future criminals.

The idea that we are significantly significantly significantly higher in crime the past 20 years and you want to attribute that to political leanings? Give me a break. Arrests skyrocketed when the war on drugs started. Since then it's been a steady increase well past population inflation. There are over 500k arrests per year for small pot possession and 75% of kids go to juvy for nonviolent offenses. That's pretty counter to your notion that nobody goes to jail. And for what? Do people feel like the streets are safer because of this?

So you're calling arrests a gateway drug? I have no idea what you mean with political leanings. To me this has little to do with politics. It's a simple case of too many poor people. If you decriminalized all drugs the same subset of the population would find other ways to get locked up, mostly for theft, robbery etc.

I don't disagree people shouldn't be arrested for simple marijuana possession but in most states marijuana possession has been decriminalized & arrests are no longer made over small amounts. It actually takes a lot of messing up to do any significant time for drug possession. Most states run the same basic approach and here's a general description:

Let's say you get arrested for possession of meth tomorrow. You'll go in and your charge will be dropped and you'll get assigned drug court or some type of drug treatment program. You complete the program and 3 months later get arrested for meth again. Judge gives you drug court again and you complete the program again. 3 months later you get arrested for meth again. Now the judge is fed up with you and gives you some type of "shock" incarceration. Something like a 30-90 day sentence where you go in and complete a very intensive drug program. The programs are intense and effective for those who want them to work. Then you'll get out and be on probation for a year with bi monthly drug tests. Three months later you violate your probation by failing a drug test. Now you're going to the big house. Your sentence is 3 years but you'll likely only do 9 months. Notice you were given 3 chances but you blew every one. This is typical. The states do try but most offenders don't take the help. I actually spent some time working at a juvenile facility. Nobody was in there for simple marijuana possession.