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History won’t be unkind to Trump—it will be cruel

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History won’t be unkind to Trump—it will be cruel


Scott Gilmore: Even if Trump can outrun the law, he will still be remembered as the most ignorant and incompetent president ever


by Scott Gilmore


Life is not fair, and if you are over a certain age, and if you are paying any attention, you have probably come to the conclusion that fate and karma do not exist. The good guys don’t always win. The meek did not inherit the earth. And while justice isn’t often bought outright, it can always be rented.
But, you cannot defy the laws of gravity. If you throw a stone up into the air, no matter how much money you have it will eventually come down. Even if you stare into the news camera and promise it is going to stay up there forever and even if 46.1 per cent of the electorate believe you, that stone is going to fall.
I’ve been reminding myself of this more and more frequently as I watch President Donald Trump wreak havoc across government, the United States and the world. It is too late for this story to have a happy ending. The lesser man won. The damage being done to the international order, American democracy, to Washington’s stature in the world, will never be entirely undone. One of the world’s most notorious frauds, one of the most incorrigible liars in history, became the 45th president and it’s too late to change that.
But, that doesn’t mean there won’t be consequences. The president, his allies, and the people around him have all set in motion certain things that will lead to unavoidable repercussions.

Consider the president’s election team, men like Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn and Jared Kushner. Meetings with Russian intelligence agents during the election, and more than a few shady business deals have guaranteed that their personal Javert, special counsel Robert Mueller will be issuing indictments. When the crimes are this significant, and when the posse on your trail is this large, you can’t outrun the law.
Then there is the team in the White House. They’ve already begun to fall by the wayside with over a dozen fired or forced to resign so far. But that will not be their real punishment. Last week a man named Herbert Kalmback passed away at the age of 95. He had led a long and distinguished career as a lawyer. But every obituary focused on one thing, his short time in the Nixon White House and his (minor) role in Watergate. No matter what he did before, or what he did after, that was a stain that could not be washed off. It will be the same for Bannon, Scaramucci, Preibus, Spicer and Gorka. They will always be remembered for what they did or didn’t do during the few short months they spent in Trump’s orbit. You can’t out run the public memory.

The Republican Party will also have legacy issues ahead. Ironically, at a moment when the GOP has more governors, senators, congressmen and judges in power than at any time in the last 80 years, it is in utter disarray. They have not even been able to line up in an orderly fashion to pass a single piece of important legislation, even after 7 years of chanting “Repeal and Replace Obamacare”. But, this too is a case where the real consequences are further down the road. The party and its President have accelerated a decade long trend by further alienating women, Hispanics, immigrants, urban voters and youth. The impact of this will likely be felt for decades, as the GOP base of elderly white men literally dies off. Consider that the Washington Post is reporting over a 100,000 Puerto Ricans will relocate to Florida due to the aftermath of hurricane Maria. The Republicans won that state by only 120,000 votes. They can’t outrun demographics.
Then there is Donald Trump, the man at the center of everything. Over the last two years he has demonstrated an apparent ability to defy all the laws of politics. At every stage of his nomination race, of the election, and of his Presidency, he has broken seemingly inviolable norms, he has committed traditionally unforgivable crimes, all without apparent consequences. Accusations of sexual assault, lawsuits for fraud, tax evasion, self-dealing, nepotism, lewd recordings—all transgressions that have destroyed the careers of better men before him, and yet these have not even interrupted his stride. The laws of gravity apparently don’t apply.

But, even if he escapes impeachment, even if Robert Mueller does not unveil a list of crimes, even if all the congressional and Justice investigations announce there is no evidence of collusion or tax evasion or obstruction of justice, Trump will still be remembered as the most ineffective and incompetent President in a century, if not in all of American history.
After nine months in office, he has proven to all but his most loyal partisan followers that he is totally incapable of running the government, defending American interests, passing legislation or even to managing his own cabinet. At this point, there is nothing the President or his supporters can do to escape this verdict. When it is all over, his term will be described with words previously unassociated with any other modern president: ignorant, treasonous, confused, incompetent, petty, crass, ridiculous.
History won’t just be unkind to Trump, it will be cruel. That stone is going to fall.
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Old 10-07-2017, 10:26 PM   #46
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Is it possible for a group of people to have "their guy" in office while not being utter ****ing douchetards?

Obama fanboys were pretty ****ing bad, too. They made Bush Republicans seem like reasonable people.

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Old 10-07-2017, 10:30 PM   #47
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My gut feeling based on what I have witnessed so far? Donald Trump will be viewed as a uniquely frightening result of an electorate steeped in a “facts are optional” / “What do I have to lose?” environment.

50 to 100 years from now, Americans will reflect on the era of Trump and ask earnestly, “What the hell were we thinking?” (Even though they—future Americans—may chalk it up to economic anxiety run amok.)

I also can't imagine any future President spouting off publicly (a la Twitter) the way Trump does on a regular basis, seemingly with no checks or balances or sense of responsibility. That alone will make him stand out like a sore thumb.

He will be the last President whose tax returns remained secret. He will be the first and last President with zero previous experience in government or the military.
This post seems to almost fall in line with... No way in HELL does Trump win the presidency.

Remember Reagan wasn't looked at fondly by the media during his early presidency.
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This article was written for one purpose: to comfort people and prepare them for the eventuality that Mueller is coming up empty.
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Old 10-07-2017, 10:35 PM   #49
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Is it possible for a group of people to have "their guy" in office while not being utter ****ing douchetards?

Obama fanboys were pretty ****ing bad, too. They made Bush Republicans seem like reasonable people.

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This post seems to almost fall in line with... No way in HELL does Trump win the presidency.

Remember Reagan wasn't looked at fondly by the media during his early presidency.
Comparing Donald Trump to Ronald Reagan is ludicrous.
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This article was written for one purpose: to comfort people and prepare them for the eventuality that Mueller is coming up empty.
Keep telling yourself that.
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This post seems to almost fall in line with... No way in HELL does Trump win the presidency.

Remember Reagan wasn't looked at fondly by the media during his early presidency.
The media treated him like a god even after the scandal of Iran-Contra. The media loved him. They kept calling him the "Great Communicator" and even after his death they kept up the love affair. It was ridiculous because Reagan was a horrible president.

I think Reagan and I think Iran-Contra, War on Drugs, Bombing Khadafi, Marine bombing in Lebanon, the rise of neo-fascist organizations throughout the country, and the gap between rich and poor widening to grotesque proportions (even though right now is certainly worse).

I remember the phenomena of mass homelessness begining with Reagan. And of the mentally ill being kicked out of public mental health facilities that lost their funding cause Reagan didnt want to pay for it. I remember the final death of Industrial labor unions...followed by the disintegration of American industry, in favor of outsourcing and free trade.

When it comes to re-election, the only thing that seems to matter is the economy. Whether Trump is re-elected will depend most of all on whether he delivers to his voters.

Now, among the things I hope he will do, the most important to healing division in the country is to really get the economy growing at 4%. That means igniting the enormous creative potential of the entrepreneurs and corporations of this country to go out to the ‘hinterlands’ and ‘inner cities’ and hire folks to help them compete like never before. He will do this by cutting regulation, reducing taxes and increasing investment in infrastructure.
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The media treated him like a god even after the scandal of Iran-Contra. The media loved him. They kept calling him the "Great Communicator" and even after his death they kept up the love affair. It was ridiculous because Reagan was a horrible president.

I think Reagan and I think Iran-Contra, War on Drugs, Bombing Khadafi, Marine bombing in Lebanon, the rise of neo-fascist organizations throughout the country, and the gap between rich and poor widening to grotesque proportions (even though right now is certainly worse).

I remember the phenomena of mass homelessness begining with Reagan. And of the mentally ill being kicked out of public mental health facilities that lost their funding cause Reagan didnt want to pay for it. I remember the final death of Industrial labor unions...followed by the disintegration of American industry, in favor of outsourcing and free trade.

When it comes to re-election, the only thing that seems to matter is the economy. Whether Trump is re-elected will depend most of all on whether he delivers to his voters.

Now, among the things I hope he will do, the most important to healing division in the country is to really get the economy growing at 4%. That means igniting the enormous creative potential of the entrepreneurs and corporations of this country to go out to the ‘hinterlands’ and ‘inner cities’ and hire folks to help them compete like never before. He will do this by cutting regulation, reducing taxes and increasing investment in infrastructure.

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It still blows my mind Reagan gets a free pass from most Right wingers he was a terrible President who destroyed unions which are the back bone of america.


Ronald Reagan Called Union Membership ‘One Of The Most Elemental Human Rights’


Then went to war on em..
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Amidst the continued outpouring of praise for Ronald Reagan, let's not forget that he was one of the most anti-labor presidents in U.S. history, a role model for the virulently anti-labor George W. Bush.

Republican presidents never have had much regard for unions, which almost invariably have opposed their election. But until Reagan, no GOP president had dared to challenge labor's firm legal standing, gained through Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the mid-1930s.

Reagan's Republican predecessors treated union leaders much as they treated Democratic members of Congress -- as people to be fought with at times, but also as people to be bargained with at other times. But Reagan engaged in precious little bargaining. He waged almost continuous war against organized labor.

He had little apparent reason to fear labor politically, with opinion polls at the time showing that unions were opposed by nearly half of all Americans and that nearly half of those who belonged to the unions had voted for him in 1980 and again in 1984.

Reagan,in any case, was a true ideologue of the anti-labor political right. Yes, he had been president of the Screen Actors Guild, but he was notoriously pro-management, leading the way to a strike-ending agreement in 1959 that greatly weakened the union and finally resigning under membership pressure before his term ended.

Reagan's war on labor began in the summer of 1981, when he fired 13,000 striking air traffic controllers and destroyed their union. As Washington Post columnist Harold Meyerson noted, that was "an unambiguous signal that employers need feel little or no obligation to their workers, and employers got that message loud and clear -- illegally firing workers who sought to unionize, replacing permanent employees who could collect benefits with temps who could not, shipping factories and jobs abroad."

Reagan gave dedicated union foes direct control of the federal agencies that were designed originally to protect and further the rights and interests of workers and their unions.

Most important was Reagan's appointment of three management representatives to the five-member National Labor Relations Board which oversees union representation elections and labor-management bargaining, They included NLRB Chairman Donald Dotson, who believed that "unionized labor relations have been the major contributors to the decline and failure of once-healthy industries" and have caused "destruction of individual freedom."

Under Dotson, a House subcommittee found,the board abandoned its legal obligation to promote collective bargaining, in what amounted to "a betrayal of American workers."

The NLRB settled only about half as many complaints of employers' illegal actions as had the board during the previous administration of Democrat Jimmy Carter, and those that were settled upheld employers in three-fourths of the cases. Even under Republican Richard Nixon, employers won only about one-third of the time.

Most of the complaints were against employers who responded to organizing drives by illegally firing union supporters. The employers were well aware that under Reagan the NLRB was taking an average of three years to rule on complaints, and that in any case it generally did no more than order the discharged unionists reinstated with back pay. That's much cheaper than operating under a union contract.

The board stalled as long before acting on petitions from workers seeking union representation elections and stalled for another year or two after such votes before certifying winning unions as the workers' bargaining agents. Under Reagan, too, employers were allowed to permanently replace workers who dared exercise their legal right to strike.

Reagan's Labor Department was as one-sided as the NLRB. It became an anti-labor department, virtually ignoring, for instance, the union-busting consultants who were hired by many employers to fend off unionization. Very few consultants and very few of those who hired them were asked for the financial disclosure statements the law demands. Yet all unions were required to file the statements that the law required of them (and that could be used to advantage by their opponents). And though the department cut its overall budget by more than 10 percent, it increased the budget for such union-busting activities by almost 40 percent.

Union-busting was only one aspect of Reagan's anti-labor policy. He attempted to lower the minimum wage for younger workers, ease the child labor and anti-sweatshop laws, tax fringe benefits, and cut back job training programs for the unemployed. He tried to replace thousands of federal employees with temporary workers who would not have civil service or union protections.

The Reagan administration all but dismantled programs that required affirmative action and other steps against discrimination by federal contractors, and seriously undermined worker safety. It closed one-third of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration's field offices, trimmed its staff by more than one-fourth and decreased the number of penalties assessed against employers by almost three-fourths.

Rather than enforce the law, the administration sought "voluntary compliance" from employers on safety matters - and generally didn't get or expect it. The administration had so tilted the job safety laws in favor of employers that union safety experts found them virtually useless.

The same could have been said of all other labor laws in the Reagan era. A statement issued at the time by the presidents of several major unions concluded it would have been more advantageous for those who worked for a living to ignore the laws and return "to the law of the jungle" that prevailed a half-century before.

Their suggestion came a little late. Ronald Reagan had already plunged labor-management relations deep into the jungle.
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It still blows my mind Reagan gets a free pass from most Right wingers he was a terrible President who destroyed unions which are the back bone of america.


Ronald Reagan Called Union Membership ‘One Of The Most Elemental Human Rights’


Then went to war on em..
Reagan's actions essentially broke the striking union and gave corporations the template for union-busting activities.
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Scott Gilmore: Even if Trump can outrun the law, he will still be remembered as the most ignorant and incompetent president ever


by Scott Gilmore


Life is not fair, and if you are over a certain age, and if you are paying any attention, you have probably come to the conclusion that fate and karma do not exist. The good guys don’t always win. The meek did not inherit the earth. And while justice isn’t often bought outright, it can always be rented.
But, you cannot defy the laws of gravity. If you throw a stone up into the air, no matter how much money you have it will eventually come down. Even if you stare into the news camera and promise it is going to stay up there forever and even if 46.1 per cent of the electorate believe you, that stone is going to fall.
I’ve been reminding myself of this more and more frequently as I watch President Donald Trump wreak havoc across government, the United States and the world. It is too late for this story to have a happy ending. The lesser man won. The damage being done to the international order, American democracy, to Washington’s stature in the world, will never be entirely undone. One of the world’s most notorious frauds, one of the most incorrigible liars in history, became the 45th president and it’s too late to change that.
But, that doesn’t mean there won’t be consequences. The president, his allies, and the people around him have all set in motion certain things that will lead to unavoidable repercussions.

Consider the president’s election team, men like Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn and Jared Kushner. Meetings with Russian intelligence agents during the election, and more than a few shady business deals have guaranteed that their personal Javert, special counsel Robert Mueller will be issuing indictments. When the crimes are this significant, and when the posse on your trail is this large, you can’t outrun the law.
Then there is the team in the White House. They’ve already begun to fall by the wayside with over a dozen fired or forced to resign so far. But that will not be their real punishment. Last week a man named Herbert Kalmback passed away at the age of 95. He had led a long and distinguished career as a lawyer. But every obituary focused on one thing, his short time in the Nixon White House and his (minor) role in Watergate. No matter what he did before, or what he did after, that was a stain that could not be washed off. It will be the same for Bannon, Scaramucci, Preibus, Spicer and Gorka. They will always be remembered for what they did or didn’t do during the few short months they spent in Trump’s orbit. You can’t out run the public memory.

The Republican Party will also have legacy issues ahead. Ironically, at a moment when the GOP has more governors, senators, congressmen and judges in power than at any time in the last 80 years, it is in utter disarray. They have not even been able to line up in an orderly fashion to pass a single piece of important legislation, even after 7 years of chanting “Repeal and Replace Obamacare”. But, this too is a case where the real consequences are further down the road. The party and its President have accelerated a decade long trend by further alienating women, Hispanics, immigrants, urban voters and youth. The impact of this will likely be felt for decades, as the GOP base of elderly white men literally dies off. Consider that the Washington Post is reporting over a 100,000 Puerto Ricans will relocate to Florida due to the aftermath of hurricane Maria. The Republicans won that state by only 120,000 votes. They can’t outrun demographics.
Then there is Donald Trump, the man at the center of everything. Over the last two years he has demonstrated an apparent ability to defy all the laws of politics. At every stage of his nomination race, of the election, and of his Presidency, he has broken seemingly inviolable norms, he has committed traditionally unforgivable crimes, all without apparent consequences. Accusations of sexual assault, lawsuits for fraud, tax evasion, self-dealing, nepotism, lewd recordings—all transgressions that have destroyed the careers of better men before him, and yet these have not even interrupted his stride. The laws of gravity apparently don’t apply.

But, even if he escapes impeachment, even if Robert Mueller does not unveil a list of crimes, even if all the congressional and Justice investigations announce there is no evidence of collusion or tax evasion or obstruction of justice, Trump will still be remembered as the most ineffective and incompetent President in a century, if not in all of American history.
After nine months in office, he has proven to all but his most loyal partisan followers that he is totally incapable of running the government, defending American interests, passing legislation or even to managing his own cabinet. At this point, there is nothing the President or his supporters can do to escape this verdict. When it is all over, his term will be described with words previously unassociated with any other modern president: ignorant, treasonous, confused, incompetent, petty, crass, ridiculous.
History won’t just be unkind to Trump, it will be cruel. That stone is going to fall.
You are correct, the History they teach in Common Core classrooms will be unkind.
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