Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 249

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

CaliforniaChief · 05-06-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Mendoza is very, very likely on Monday. Looking at the forecast in Baltimore, they will probably get all 3 games in one way or another. If Friday gets rained out in KC, they'll be able to make that up this weekend.

I was really hoping for Shields or Santana. Monday's the only day I can go. I guess I really wanted Santana so I could laugh all night at the Angels for trading him to us for a AAAA pitcher.

The Royals are contenders and the Angels are bottom-feeders.

Schadenfreude. Pure Schadenfreude.

duncan_idaho · 05-06-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

A month into the season and time to look at what Myers-Odorizzi-Montgomery are doing in Tampa's AAA farm club (Durham NC). Myers is in a 5-34 slump with 15 strikeouts. He's struck out a whopping 37 times in 105 at-bats with 3 home runs and 5 doubles. This is 2x the rate Hosmer & Moustakas struck out at Omaha. Read one analysis (not sure if fan or scout) who said he's looking less and less like Dale Murphy and more and more like....wait for it.....JEFF FRANCOEUR:
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...14&position=OF

-On the other hand, Jake Odorizzi is off to a fantastic start 3-0 2.65ERA. He leads that league in K with 39 already to only 13 walks. He started yesterday and helped throw a combined no-hitter.
http://www.mlbprospectportal.com/201...-odorizzi.html

-Mike Montgomery threw 3 innings, allowed 8 baserunners, got hurt and has been out since. Probably no reason to discuss this guy any longer.

-Patrick Leonard is in A-ball. He is hitting .135 in 96 at-bats so far with 0 home runs.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...39&position=3B

I hadn't noticed Myers' slump. Could be boredom, I suppose. But the K rate has been alarming ever since he changed his approach prior to last season, and its even more exagerrated than it was before.

I don't think Francoeur makes a ton of sense (because Myers takes more pitches and walks more than Frenacoeur ever did) as a comparison. The one I like is a RH Jay Bruce, though Myers' K rate is even higher as a minor league guy than Bruce's ever was.

Demonpenz · 05-06-2013, 12:25 PM

Billy driving in runs.

MVChiefFan · 05-06-2013, 12:54 PM

I think Harper was ejected when he spiked his helmet and the ump got a good look at his hair!

Demonpenz · 05-06-2013, 01:00 PM

No one likes Harper's attitude and his swing means his back will bust harder than the dude at the end of They Live

Prison Bitch · 05-06-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I hadn't noticed Myers' slump. Could be boredom, I suppose. But the K rate has been alarming ever since he changed his approach prior to last season, and its even more exagerrated than it was before.

I don't think Francoeur makes a ton of sense (because Myers takes more pitches and walks more than Frenacoeur ever did) as a comparison. The one I like is a RH Jay Bruce, though Myers' K rate is even higher as a minor league guy than Bruce's ever was.

Oh, he's turning into Frenchy more and more by the day. Frenchy was the 28th best prospect in 2004 and 14th in 2005 in BBA. (Myers 28th & 4th last two years). Both 6-3 205. 18.5% K rate vs 24.9% for Myers. Their power numbers looked eeriely similar at both A & AA ball.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=franco001jef
http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=myers-006wil

We'll never know what Frenchy would've done in AAA as he skipped it. But needless to say, Dayton has an eye for Frenchy types. That's why he drafted Myers.

Either way Myers is looking a lot like Frenchy at least in terms of his ability to make contact.

duncan_idaho · 05-06-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

No one likes Harper's attitude and his swing means his back will bust harder than the dude at the end of They Live

I love Harper's attitude.

He's the most talented guy on the field every time he's out there, and he plays like he's the least talented guy. Busts his a$$ constantly, just plays hard.

Demonpenz · 05-06-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I love Harper's attitude.

He's the most talented guy on the field every time he's out there, and he plays like he's the least talented guy. Busts his a$$ constantly, just plays hard.

lol

Mr. Laz · 05-06-2013, 03:11 PM

Kansas City Royals

2013 Salaries

PLAYER	SALARY
Ervin Santana	$13,000,000
Alex Gordon	$9,000,000
James Shields	$9,000,000
Billy Butler	$8,000,000
Jeff Francoeur	$7,500,000
Jeremy Guthrie	$5,000,000
Luke Hochevar	$4,560,000
Bruce Chen	$4,500,000
Alcides Escobar	$3,000,000
Wade Davis	$2,800,000
Felipe Paulino	$1,750,000
Aaron Crow	$1,280,000
Miguel Tejada	$1,100,000
Chris Getz	$1,050,000
Salvador Perez	$1,000,000
George Kottaras	$1,000,000
J.C. Gutierrez	$750,000
Greg Holland	$539,500
Tim Collins	$534,500
Luis Mendoza	$532,000
Eric Hosmer	$528,250
Mike Moustakas	$524,500
Elliot Johnson	$520,500
Kelvin Herrera	$508,180
Jarrod Dyson	$506,000
Lorenzo Cain	$503,180
Johnny Giavotella	$500,000
Nathan Adcock	$500,000
Francisley Bueno	$500,000
Danny Duffy	$500,000
Everett Teaford	$500,000
Louis Coleman	$500,000
Will Smith	$500,000
David Lough	$500,000
Irving Falu	$492,020

KChiefs1 · 05-06-2013, 03:28 PM

Royals bullpen sucks ass!

Hochevar is the best one out there!

Chiefspants · 05-06-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Royals bullpen sucks ass!

Hochevar is the best one out there!

The bullpen is fine. Ned's rationale to pull the starter after eight because he's "done his job" is what's concerning.

Ceej · 05-06-2013, 06:29 PM

God I hope we piss pound the Orioles.

**PHOG** · 05-06-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

The bullpen is fine. Ned's rationale to pull the starter after eight because he's "done his job" is what's concerning.

Yost's decisions are suspect at best

CoMoChief · 05-06-2013, 06:46 PM

at Chen, Franceour, and Hochevar's contracts....my god.

Deberg_1990 · 05-06-2013, 08:02 PM

Francour just raping Glass's wallet.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1780308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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