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**DaFace** · 09:37 AM

Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made.

The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days:

1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this.

2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel.

3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out.

4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do.

5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up.

Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success.

Discus.

Pablo · 08-05-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

That would be pretty damn awesome. I'm saying 10 because with the talent on the team, he takes care of it like in San Fran they are getting there. If he raises his level of play....heaven have mercy on the AFC.....

Alex Smith can play out of his ****ing mind all season and we're still playing second fiddle in our own division.

WTF are you guys smoking?

BigCatDaddy · 08-06-2013, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Alex Smith can play out of his ****ing mind all season and we're still playing second fiddle in our own division.

WTF are you guys smoking?

I'm pretty sure it's Alex's Pole.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-06-2013, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Alex Smith can play out of his ****ing mind all season and we're still playing second fiddle in our own division.

WTF are you guys smoking?

Quit overrating those frauds from Pile High.

**Bearcat** · 08-06-2013, 09:19 AM

Scoring 30+ points...

2012 Broncos: 12 times
2011-2012 Chiefs: 0
2007-2012 Chiefs: 11
Alex Smith, career: 9

But hey, Manning will probably throw an interception in the playoffs or something, so that will be fun.

**ChiTown** · 08-06-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Scoring 30+ points...

2012 Broncos: 12 times
2011-2012 Chiefs: 0
2007-2012 Chiefs: 11
Alex Smith, career: 9

But hey, Manning will probably throw an interception in the playoffs or something, so that will be fun.

word

Pablo · 08-06-2013, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Quit overrating those frauds from Pile High.

Quit overrating a lame QB because he has an arrowhead on his helmet.

Pablo · 08-06-2013, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Scoring 30+ points...

2012 Broncos: 12 times
2011-2012 Chiefs: 0
2007-2012 Chiefs: 11
Alex Smith, career: 9

But hey, Manning will probably throw an interception in the playoffs or something, so that will be fun.

No shit.

People can stick their heads in the sand and pretend the Broncos are going to magically regress from last year if they like.

They're the Vegas favorite to win the whole ****ing thing for a reason.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-06-2013, 09:48 AM

soft frauds

TEX · 08-06-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

No shit.

People can stick their heads in the sand and pretend the Broncos are going to magically regress from last year if they like.

They're the Vegas favorite to win the whole ****ing thing for a reason.

And they were complete SHIT just 3 years ago...

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-06-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

No shit.

People can stick their heads in the sand and pretend the Broncos are going to magically regress from last year if they like.

They're the Vegas favorite to win the whole ****ing thing for a reason.

Denver will not win 13 games this season. They no longer have Magahee at running back, who will be replaced by a rookie. They lost Dumerville and will lose Miller for their first four games. Champ Bailey is a year older and DRC scares no one.

I think eleven wins is their ceiling, which would be veiwed as "regression".

Pablo · 08-06-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Denver will not win 13 games this season. They no longer have Magahee at running back, who will be replaced by a rookie. They lost Dumerville and will lose Miller for their first four games. Champ Bailey is a year older and DRC scares no one.

I think eleven wins is their ceiling, which would be veiwed as "regression".

I don't think their defense is cause for concern. The fact that one of the greatest QB's of all time gets another year to mesh with his (injured) OL and WRs; while adding a pretty nice piece (to an already good WR corps) in Welker is what worries me. Montee Ball should be able to step in a be productive as a fourth/fith option. RB isn't too hard of a transition.

The Broncos intend on scoring a lot of points this season. And they will. And they play in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL. **** VonDoom; they're out to average 30 points a game.

I see it much differently. 10 wins is their floor, 14 could be the ceiling. I don't think it's crazy at all to think they're looking at 12-13 wins.

While our floor is probably 6 wins; and if Alex Smith turns out a career year and we get lucky with injuries, our absolute ceiling is 11 wins.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-06-2013, 11:34 AM

They didn't really downgrade at corner as Tracy Porter sucks anyway, and McGahee was a broke dick. Those two losses are irrelevant.

I agree that Bailey will be a year older. That hurts. As does losing Dumervil completely and Miller for four games. However, Welker is a substantial improvement, and Knighton is a sneaky good DL pickup.

They are largely deck chairs, though. It all rests on neckbone, and I doubt that he can throw the ball with any authority. If he can, then they can win a lot of games b/c the AFC South is terribad and the NFC East is always overrated.

**Rausch** · 08-06-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

I don't think their defense is cause for concern. The fact that one of the greatest QB's of all time gets another year to mesh with his (injured) OL and WRs; while adding a pretty nice piece (to an already good WR corps) in Welker is what worries me. Montee Ball should be able to step in a be productive as a fourth/fith option. RB isn't too hard of a transition.

The Broncos intend on scoring a lot of points this season. And they will. And they play in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL. **** VonDoom; they're out to average 30 points a game.

I see it much differently. 10 wins is their floor, 14 could be the ceiling. I don't think it's crazy at all to think they're looking at 12-13 wins.

Their schedule is brutal.

Not only is it brutal but a lot of these games are "grudge match" games.

Pablo · 08-06-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Their schedule is brutal.

Not only is it brutal but a lot of these games are "grudge match" games.

Huh?

I was pretty sure they had one of the easiest schedules in all of the NFL.

**Rausch** · 08-06-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Huh?

I was pretty sure they had one of the easiest schedules in all of the NFL.

Denver, not KC...

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05-03-2013, 09:30 AM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2056899	Let's talk about "true fans" Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made. The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days: 1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this. 2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel. 3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out. 4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do. 5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up. Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success. Discus. Last edited by DaFace; 05-03-2013 at 09:37 AM..
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