Football Bruce Arians anyone? - Page 2

Quesadilla Joe · 11-09-2012, 11:29 AM

Bruce Arians deserves a lot of credit for Indy's success. I'm starting to hear his name mentioned for potential HC openings.

https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/st...54274410475520

He was Peyton Manning's first QB coach, was with Pittsburgh after they drafted Rapistburger, and has worked with Luck... His first NFL job was RB coach for the Chiefs as well.

BoneKrusher · 11-09-2012, 03:18 PM

i'll say yes because we need a Coaching staff that knows how to groom our Franchise QB.

i like what he's done with Manning, Big Ben and now Luck.

saphojunkie · 11-09-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I mentioned Arians earlier this season. If the Colts get to the playoffs, he'll be a head coach somewhere next year.

He was the running back coach under Marty from 1989-1992, so there is a KC connection.

There's no doubt that the Chiefs could do much worse.

FYP

dallaschiefsfan · 11-09-2012, 03:51 PM

Classic great coordinator that would be a disappointment as a head coach. Would love to have him as an OC...not as a head coach.

Brock · 11-09-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Classic great coordinator that would be a disappointment as a head coach. Would love to have him as an OC...not as a head coach.

He's doing fine as a head coach right now.

dallaschiefsfan · 11-09-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

He's doing fine as a head coach right now.

It's still Pagano's team. I'm not sure he can be evaluated in the interim role at this point. It's like Romeo's run at the end of the season. Meant nothing.

Ace Gunner · 11-09-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

He's doing fine as a head coach right now.

He is -- but Pagano's visions/pre season prep/systems are Pagano's HC leadership in play, so I'd be careful assuming Arians work here.

Brock · 11-09-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

It's still Pagano's team. I'm not sure he can be evaluated in the interim role at this point. It's like Romeo's run at the end of the season. Meant nothing.

No, this is absolutely nothing like Romeo's run at the end of the season.

dallaschiefsfan · 11-09-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

No, this is absolutely nothing like Romeo's run at the end of the season.

OK...if you absolutely say so...

chiefzilla1501 · 11-09-2012, 04:34 PM

Not crazy about this hire. First, I just don't see him being a head coach that would be comfortable delegating any kind of play calling responsibility. Second, he is a very experienced and respected coach, yet never once has come up in head coaching conversations -- there is usually a reason for that. Finally... look at the systems he runs. Luck has thrown the 3rd most passes of any QB in the league. The guy loves to throw and his offense is one that's so pass-heavy and wide open that it's unfavorable to the run and the QB tends to take a lot of hits.

I don't know if that's the offense you want to run if you don't have a QB with the uncanny pocket presence who is difficult to sack. Luck and Big Ben are two very difficult QBs to drop, even when the d-line gets initial push.

I'm still in favor of a coach with a history for very good structure and discipline. I think Arians is a terrific offensive mind, but not one I think will really motivate his players to be the best.

-King- · 11-09-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

OK...if you absolutely say so...

Other than the fact that he didn't start out the season as the head coach, how is this in any way like Romeo last season?

Brock · 11-09-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

OK...if you absolutely say so...

This isn't a team that was momentarily energized by a coaching change for the last few games of a season. But yeah, you're right, other than that it's exactly the same.

**BossChief** · 11-09-2012, 05:07 PM

He is on my short list, that's for sure.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-09-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

This isn't a team that was momentarily energized by a coaching change for the last few games of a season. But yeah, you're right, other than that it's exactly the same.

They are energized by a unified locker room that is rallying behind a sick head coach. Arians has handled that remarkably well. But there is still an energy level from an unusual circumstance.

And the point is a very good one, which is that Arians is pretty much running a Pagano coached team. He's doing a very good job. But it's not the first time a team has done well behind a replacement. Romeo last year. Singletary another year. It's not uncommon for a coach to take another coach's team and do well with it. I'm more interested in what a coach does after his full program is installed and at least a year into the job.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-09-2012, 05:17 PM

Something to keep in mind.

Arians has been an offensive coordinator for, what, almost 10 years?

He has NEVER had a season where his QB took less than 40 sacks and multiple times his QB has taken over 50 sacks. Luck is on pace to get over 40 sacks, while Ben is on pace to have one of his least sacked seasons of his career. And that's not by mistake. Arians' offense is pass-heavy with a spread design that makes it more difficult to pass protect. I also don't know that he's great at disciplining -- the offensive line in Pittsburgh is night and day fundamentally from where they were last year.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 11-09-2012, 05:17 PM

Uhh, yeah, Arians had slipped my mind. I think he'd be a great choice. He's put in his time, paid his dues, and seems to do well anywhere he goes.

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11-09-2012, 04:34 PM	#24
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2144497	Not crazy about this hire. First, I just don't see him being a head coach that would be comfortable delegating any kind of play calling responsibility. Second, he is a very experienced and respected coach, yet never once has come up in head coaching conversations -- there is usually a reason for that. Finally... look at the systems he runs. Luck has thrown the 3rd most passes of any QB in the league. The guy loves to throw and his offense is one that's so pass-heavy and wide open that it's unfavorable to the run and the QB tends to take a lot of hits. I don't know if that's the offense you want to run if you don't have a QB with the uncanny pocket presence who is difficult to sack. Luck and Big Ben are two very difficult QBs to drop, even when the d-line gets initial push. I'm still in favor of a coach with a history for very good structure and discipline. I think Arians is a terrific offensive mind, but not one I think will really motivate his players to be the best.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2144497	Something to keep in mind. Arians has been an offensive coordinator for, what, almost 10 years? He has NEVER had a season where his QB took less than 40 sacks and multiple times his QB has taken over 50 sacks. Luck is on pace to get over 40 sacks, while Ben is on pace to have one of his least sacked seasons of his career. And that's not by mistake. Arians' offense is pass-heavy with a spread design that makes it more difficult to pass protect. I also don't know that he's great at disciplining -- the offensive line in Pittsburgh is night and day fundamentally from where they were last year.
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