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Old 01-03-2017, 12:25 AM  
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QB Impressions

First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
6'4", 230 lbs
26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards

I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
6'3", 220 lbs
30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards

Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:30 PM   #211
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Am I the only one that thinks Mahomes is a Terrible prospect? His footwork is awful and it's not something that will be fixed in the NFL. He has so many throws that come off his back foot or off balance and not even out of necessity. It's just his natural throwing style to do so.

Most of the QBs need work, but he needs the most work by far and I don't think he'll ever fix his mechanics especially not by 2018 when I want our drafted QB to start by.
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I'm right there with you.

I'm not sold at all, and i agree that those mechanical issues rarely get fixed in the NFL. Too much muscle memory at this point, and when the bullets start flying his mechanics will revert back just as they've done with nearly every other QB with bad mechanics.

With that said, the kid does have that "it" factor.

This is a classic boom or bust pick. There is no in between with this guy. He'll either be a gamer ala Aaron Rodgers, or he's going to be a complete slap-dick.
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:31 PM   #212
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Agreed. He's Bray with worse mechanics.
He's nowhere close to Bray. Completely different QB's.
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:35 PM   #213
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My only worry is his tendency to leave the pocket with or without pressure....
He looked embarrassingly skittish in some of his plays. Completely panicking in a clean pocket on multiple plays.

Not sold at all.

Matter of fact, im leaning towards this kid being a complete flop.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he falls out of the 1st.
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20 second mark:

He sees the rusher, gets hella happy feet and starts backpeddling and then throws a jump pass off his back foot into heavy traffic with two receivers intersecting in the same area. That's REALLY ****ing bad, man.

An NFL QB steps up in the pocket as that DE gets pushed out of the play, sets his feet and delivers the ball.

That one play highlights what's maddening about this guy. Everything leading up to the throw is awful, but he threw a ****ing touchdown pass with a defender in his grille.

So the questions are, is he just really good at his unorthodox style of play and is this sustainable in the NFL?
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:49 PM   #215
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20 second mark:

He sees the rusher, gets hella happy feet and starts backpeddling and then throws a jump pass off his back foot into heavy traffic with two receivers intersecting in the same area. That's REALLY ****ing bad, man.

An NFL QB steps up in the pocket as that DE gets pushed out of the play, sets his feet and delivers the ball.

That one play highlights what's maddening about this guy. Everything leading up to the throw is awful, but he threw a ****ing touchdown pass with a defender in his grille.

So the questions are, is he just really good at his unorthodox style of play and is this sustainable in the NFL?
I see a tendency to go back across his body at times instead of setting his feet. It worked for him in college, I doubt it translates. He could learn to do it the right way and be great. He has all the physical tools, there's no denying that he's athletic and talented enough.
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:57 PM   #216
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I see a tendency to go back across his body at times instead of setting his feet. It worked for him in college, I doubt it translates. He could learn to do it the right way and be great. He has all the physical tools, there's no denying that he's athletic and talented enough.
And that's the rub.

The Chiefs just aren't going to get a polished, all-world talent at QB in the next 5 years because they aren't going to bottom out. They have a coaching staff that can get 6 wins from a tuba if you ask for it.

So you have 2 options - physically limited, polished QBs like Peterman or physically skilled quarterbacks that need to be heavily coached like Mahomes.

Or option C: just getting butt-****ing lucky and hoping that the entire NFL misses on a guy that was both polished and physically skilled. Good luck with option C, gents.

At some point you have to pick your path, spin the wheel and take your chances lest you think there will come a time that A) a truly premier talent is available and B) a team would actually allow us to trade up for it. Because that's the other issue - Sam Darnold, if he is what people claim, will not be a Chief because either a team that sits #1 overall will take him and be unwilling to trade out of that spot or B) that team will be willing to move out, but not that far back so we still won't be players even if we do give up our entire draft and another 1st.

We purport to have one of the most gifted QB teachers/staffs in the NFL on our payroll - !@$#ing use 'em. Get the guy with the max tools and teach him how to use them.

That guy is Mahomes.
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And that's the rub.

The Chiefs just aren't going to get a polished, all-world talent at QB in the next 5 years because they aren't going to bottom out. They have a coaching staff that can get 6 wins from a tuba if you ask for it.

So you have 2 options - physically limited, polished QBs like Peterman or physically skilled quarterbacks that need to be heavily coached like Mahomes.

Or option C: just getting butt-****ing lucky and hoping that the entire NFL misses on a guy that was both polished and physically skilled. Good luck with option C, gents.

At some point you have to pick your path, spin the wheel and take your chances lest you think there will come a time that A) a truly premier talent is available and B) a team would actually allow us to trade up for it. Because that's the other issue - Sam Darnold, if he is what people claim, will not be a Chief because either a team that sits #1 overall will take him and be unwilling to trade out of that spot or B) that team will be willing to move out, but not that far back so we still won't be players even if we do give up our entire draft and another 1st.

We purport to have one of the most gifted QB teachers/staffs in the NFL on our payroll - !@$#ing use 'em. Get the guy with the max tools and teach him how to use them.

That guy is Mahomes.
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He's nowhere close to Bray. Completely different QB's.
I think he is. Put Bray on Texas tech and he has 700 yard games too. I don't know how Pat does in the SEC. Pat is faster but he's also built worse. He's shorter and pudgier. I just don't see what he has that Bray didn't.
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And that's the rub.

The Chiefs just aren't going to get a polished, all-world talent at QB in the next 5 years because they aren't going to bottom out. They have a coaching staff that can get 6 wins from a tuba if you ask for it.

So you have 2 options - physically limited, polished QBs like Peterman or physically skilled quarterbacks that need to be heavily coached like Mahomes.

Or option C: just getting butt-****ing lucky and hoping that the entire NFL misses on a guy that was both polished and physically skilled. Good luck with option C, gents.

At some point you have to pick your path, spin the wheel and take your chances lest you think there will come a time that A) a truly premier talent is available and B) a team would actually allow us to trade up for it. Because that's the other issue - Sam Darnold, if he is what people claim, will not be a Chief because either a team that sits #1 overall will take him and be unwilling to trade out of that spot or B) that team will be willing to move out, but not that far back so we still won't be players even if we do give up our entire draft and another 1st.

We purport to have one of the most gifted QB teachers/staffs in the NFL on our payroll - !@$#ing use 'em. Get the guy with the max tools and teach him how to use them.

That guy is Mahomes.
I just think teaching mechanics especially as bad as his are is EXTREMELY hard at the NFL level. Just because we have very good QB coaches and staff doesn't mean they should be given chicken shit to work with and we should expect chicken salad as the end product. At the end of the day Mahomes will go back to the style he's most comfortable with especially when the shit hits the fan. Some guys like Rivers can make shitty mechanics work. The vast majority can't no matter how talented they are.

That's why I think Kizer is a better bet. His mechanics are much better than Mahomes and the drop off isn't that steep from a talent standpoint.
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Kizer has good mechanics and is still inaccurate. Mahomes issues are weird, but they really didn't give him any accuracy issues.
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And that's the rub.

The Chiefs just aren't going to get a polished, all-world talent at QB in the next 5 years because they aren't going to bottom out. They have a coaching staff that can get 6 wins from a tuba if you ask for it.

So you have 2 options - physically limited, polished QBs like Peterman or physically skilled quarterbacks that need to be heavily coached like Mahomes.

Or option C: just getting butt-****ing lucky and hoping that the entire NFL misses on a guy that was both polished and physically skilled. Good luck with option C, gents.

At some point you have to pick your path, spin the wheel and take your chances lest you think there will come a time that A) a truly premier talent is available and B) a team would actually allow us to trade up for it. Because that's the other issue - Sam Darnold, if he is what people claim, will not be a Chief because either a team that sits #1 overall will take him and be unwilling to trade out of that spot or B) that team will be willing to move out, but not that far back so we still won't be players even if we do give up our entire draft and another 1st.

We purport to have one of the most gifted QB teachers/staffs in the NFL on our payroll - !@$#ing use 'em. Get the guy with the max tools and teach him how to use them.

That guy is Mahomes.

To the whole darn post. This is our year to make the move on a QB. Don't settle for "best" value. Go get the QB. Team is nearly built. Add to it in the future.
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And that's the rub.

The Chiefs just aren't going to get a polished, all-world talent at QB in the next 5 years because they aren't going to bottom out. They have a coaching staff that can get 6 wins from a tuba if you ask for it.

So you have 2 options - physically limited, polished QBs like Peterman or physically skilled quarterbacks that need to be heavily coached like Mahomes.

Or option C: just getting butt-****ing lucky and hoping that the entire NFL misses on a guy that was both polished and physically skilled. Good luck with option C, gents.

At some point you have to pick your path, spin the wheel and take your chances lest you think there will come a time that A) a truly premier talent is available and B) a team would actually allow us to trade up for it. Because that's the other issue - Sam Darnold, if he is what people claim, will not be a Chief because either a team that sits #1 overall will take him and be unwilling to trade out of that spot or B) that team will be willing to move out, but not that far back so we still won't be players even if we do give up our entire draft and another 1st.

We purport to have one of the most gifted QB teachers/staffs in the NFL on our payroll - !@$#ing use 'em. Get the guy with the max tools and teach him how to use them.

That guy is Mahomes.
If they are really that desperate for a guy this year, then trade up for Trubisky and be done with it. He's the only QB who is really worth a 1st this year.

Mahomes is a mediocre prospect for what we would have to use on him, a 1st or high 2nd round pick. I'd rather get Webb in the 4th-5th over Mahomes in the 1st. Same kind of talent, with just as much raw potential, at a much cheaper price and you're not crippling your team for it.
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Kizer has good mechanics and is still inaccurate. Mahomes issues are weird, but they really didn't give him any accuracy issues.
Product of the system. He completed 65.7% of his passes. His backup came in and completed 65.5% of his passes. It's a product of that offense and playing the conference with the worst defense in the NCAA. Put Kizer on that team and he completes the same percentage too.
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Product of the system. He completed 65.7% of his passes. His backup came in and completed 65.5% of his passes. It's a product of that offense and playing the conference with the worst defense in the NCAA. Put Kizer on that team and he completes the same percentage too.
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If his footwork is that big of an issue though, he shouldn't be able to be accurate in any offense, correct?

I'm just not a fan of Kizer. At all. He looks like he should be "the guy" but he just hasn't ever really shown it.
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If his footwork is that big of an issue though, he shouldn't be able to be accurate in any offense, correct?

I'm just not a fan of Kizer. At all. He looks like he should be "the guy" but he just hasn't ever really shown it.
You don't need good mechanics or fundamentals to beat shitty teams with shitty players. There have been a bunch of QBs in air raid systems that dominated and had similar stats to him, what separates him from them?
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