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Trump the Lesser's Meeting with Russian Lawyer for Clinton Dirt. Collusion?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/s-donal...on-with-russia

For the past seven months, President Donald Trump and his campaign have been dogged by allegations that they colluded with the Russian government during the presidential election.

Now, there appears to be some evidence supporting the thrust of the allegation.

Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, was offered “damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign,” the New York Times reported Sunday.

On Saturday, Trump Jr., presidential son-in-law and senior advisor Jared Kushner, and then-campaign chair Paul Manafort confirmed that they met with lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya in Trump Tower on June 9, 2016—two days after Clinton clinched the Democratic presidential nomination.

Trump Jr. said in a statement Sunday that Veselnitskaya claimed “she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.” Trump Jr. said she did not provide additional information.

After Veselnitskaya’s “vague” statement about Clinton, Trump Jr. said, the conversation turned to Russia's freeze of adoptions to the U.S. in retaliation for sanctions against individual Russians under the Magnitsky Act.

The report is the first public account that people associated with the Kremlin offered damaging information on Clinton to Trump—and that Trump’s campaign entertained the offer.

A dossier compiled by ex-British spy Christopher Steele alleged the existence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government during the election, which alleged, among other things, Russia sent damaging information on Clinton sent to the Trump campaign.

The dossier was published in January 2017, days before Trump was inaugurated. Then as now, Trump and members of his campaign denied any involvement with Russia.

The admission by the president’s eldest son comes less than 24 hours after the Trump legal team downplayed the meeting as a courtesy for a friend—and then proposed that the meeting was the result of a Democratic plot to entangle Trump with the Russians.

“It was a short introductory meeting,” Trump Jr. said in a statement on Saturday, in response to the initial story regarding the meeting with Veselnitskaya. “I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up.”

According to the president’s son, he “was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.”

The Washington Post reported on Sunday that the friend in question is music publicist Rob Goldstone, manager of would-be Russian pop star Emin Agalarov, whose developer father was the sponsor of the Miss Universe pageant in 2013, which took place in Moscow.

“Once she presented what she had to say, it was like, ‘Can you keep an eye on it? Should [Trump] be in power, maybe that’s conversation that he may have in the future?’” Goldstone told the Washington Post. Goldstone did not identify the client who requested the meeting’s arrangement.

The Trump team’s initial strategy of dismissing the Veselnitskaya meeting switched to claiming it was a set-up by Democrats apparently using Kremlin operatives to sink the Trump campaign.

“We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,” Mark Corallo, spokesperson for Trump’s outside counsel, said in a statement released a few hours after the original New York Times story published.

“Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the president and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier,” Corallo continued, referring to the political intelligence firm that hired Steele to compile the dossier on Trump.

“These developments raise serious issues as to exactly who authorized and participated in any effort by Russian nationals to influence our election in any manner,” Corallo concluded.

Poking a hole in Corallo’s supposition is the fact that Fusion GPS had been hired by the law firm to undermine the Magnitsky Act, a 2012 law intended to punish Russian officials allegedly responsible for the death of Russian national Sergei Magnitsky, a tax attorney who uncovered a $230 million tax scam involving senior Russian government officials. Magnitsky was later arrested on the pretext that he was the perpetrator of a separate tax fraud himself, and died under mysterious circumstances.

The Magnitsky Act’s passage in 2012, in addition to other sanctions, helped prompted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to halt the adoption of Russian orphans by American parents—what Trump Jr. has characterized as the “primary” subject of discussion at the Trump Tower meeting.

Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California Democrat who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and has been an aggressive questioner during public hearings regarding Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, was incredulous in response to the report.

“Donald Trump and his team had an extraordinary & unprecedented amount of personal, political, financial ties with Russia, at the time Russia was helping his campaign and undermining our democracy,” Swalwell said in a text to The Daily Beast. “Each of those ties, including recently learned meetings between Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort with Russians who wanted to damage Hillary Clinton, must be fully investigated.”

Swalwell continued, saying that Trump Jr.’s own claims prove that the Trump team “was willing to work with a foreign adversary to beat an American political opponent. That's a level of betrayal of our country we have never seen in politics.”

Three months after the meeting in Trump Tower, a Republican operative implied he was working Trump campaign adviser Michael Flynn to obtain Clinton's emails from Russian hackers. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that Peter W. Smith told recruits for his project that he was in contact with Flynn and his son.

Flynn and the White House did not respond to requests for comment about the article.

– With additional reporting by Noah Shachtman
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:32 PM   #61
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Here's the interview... "Interestingly," he doesn't actually say what NJChiefsFan27 says he said, but that should come as no surprise.



Trump indicates competence being the deciding factor, which seems completely reasonable.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:32 PM   #62
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You got a youtube of this?
Are you disputing that Trump fired Comey as a result of the Russia investigation or do you just take issue with me paraphrasing what he said?
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:37 PM   #63
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You got a youtube of this?

But you're right, I don't care if he fired Comey for the phony Russia investigation.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:39 PM   #64
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That's a quality meme. You're going to want to keep that meme on hand for the next 8 years.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:41 PM   #65
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Trump indicates competence being the deciding factor, which seems completely reasonable.
He openly said that when he decided to fire him he was thinking about the Russia investigation. That would seem to indicate that being the deciding factor, not 'competence', which is something he would have fired him for months before had it been an issue. The only thing that changed after the election was the intensity of the FBI scrutiny towards his team, period.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:43 PM   #66
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He openly said that when he decided to fire him he was thinking about the Russia investigation. That would seem to indicate that being the deciding factor, not 'competence', which is something he would have fired him for months before had it been an issue. The only thing that changed after the election was the intensity of the FBI scrutiny towards his team, period.
Yeah, ok. So impeach him. Have at it. This should be good.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:44 PM   #67
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That's a quality meme. You're going to want to keep that meme on hand for the next 8 years.
Hah, do you think another foreign power is going to help get Trump elected again after our cybersecurity alliance between us and Russia? Yeah right!
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:44 PM   #68
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Trump is a means to an end for me. Let 'er rip. Impeach him. Go for it.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:45 PM   #69
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Hah, do you think another foreign power is going to help get Trump elected again after our cybersecurity alliance between us and Russia? Yeah right!


I don't think you understand how the electoral college works.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:47 PM   #70
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Yeah, ok. So impeach him. Have at it. This should be good.
That would require Republicans in congress finding a spine. We'll just have to let this trainwreck continue to unfold in the meantime.
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I don't think you understand how the electoral college works.
Oh? Do enlighten me.
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:04 AM   #72
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So, to summarize the story so far.
Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer under the pretext that they would have dirt on Hillary Clinton.
The conversation then moved to a Russian adoption program which just so happens was halted by Putin in response to sanctions put on Russia.
The Russian lawyer apparently didn't have anything so the meeting was ended.

It sounds like they were offering info to the Trump campaign under the agreement that when Trump got elected, they'd get rid of the sanctions and Putin would allow the adoption program to go forward. If the campaign received info obtained illegally, it's not op research anymore, it illegal. However, it doesn't sound like they actually got anything out of the meeting. Sounds like Trump Jr. is lucky they didn't provide info because it sure sounds like he took the meeting to get info. He'd have walked headfirst into a very illegal situation.

The key here is, he didn't get info, at least not from the story so far. So does the intent to get illegally obtained info constitute a crime? It also doesn't sound so far like he knew the info provided would have been obtained illegally, although it would be likely to assume so. Sounds to me like he dodged a huge bullet from sheet blind luck. Unless more info comes out, it's just one more thing that looks horrible but doesn't actually constitute a crime.
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:12 AM   #73
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So, to summarize the story so far.
Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer under the pretext that they would have dirt on Hillary Clinton.
The conversation then moved to a Russian adoption program which just so happens was halted by Putin in response to sanctions put on Russia.
The Russian lawyer apparently didn't have anything so the meeting was ended.

It sounds like they were offering info to the Trump campaign under the agreement that when Trump got elected, they'd get rid of the sanctions and Putin would allow the adoption program to go forward. If the campaign received info obtained illegally, it's not op research anymore, it illegal. However, it doesn't sound like they actually got anything out of the meeting. Sounds like Trump Jr. is lucky they didn't provide info because it sure sounds like he took the meeting to get info. He'd have walked headfirst into a very illegal situation.
There would have been nothing illegal about getting the (apparently nonexistent) information.
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So, to summarize the story so far.
Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer under the pretext that they would have dirt on Hillary Clinton.
The conversation then moved to a Russian adoption program which just so happens was halted by Putin in response to sanctions put on Russia.
The Russian lawyer apparently didn't have anything so the meeting was ended.

It sounds like they were offering info to the Trump campaign under the agreement that when Trump got elected, they'd get rid of the sanctions and Putin would allow the adoption program to go forward. If the campaign received info obtained illegally, it's not op research anymore, it illegal. However, it doesn't sound like they actually got anything out of the meeting. Sounds like Trump Jr. is lucky they didn't provide info because it sure sounds like he took the meeting to get info. He'd have walked headfirst into a very illegal situation.

The key here is, he didn't get info, at least not from the story so far. So does the intent to get illegally obtained info constitute a crime? It also doesn't sound so far like he knew the info provided would have been obtained illegally, although it would be likely to assume so. Sounds to me like he dodged a huge bullet from sheet blind luck. Unless more info comes out, it's just one more thing that looks horrible but doesn't actually constitute a crime.
But the Clinton's, DNC and FBI can pay some X spy from the UK for their Trump opposition research.
Nice to know
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