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Mellinger: Fire Sutton

Chiefs need change, and they should begin by firing defensive coordinator Bob Sutton
BY SAM MELLINGER

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UPDATED 40 MINUTES AGO

Bob Sutton needs to be fired.

The Chiefs should be looking for a new defensive coordinator. There is no joy in calling for a manís job, but then, there is no joy in watching a defense underperform its talent and fair expectations over and over and over again.

This canít continue. That is plain. That is obvious.

Andy Reid isnít ready to talk about this yet and thatís fine, thatís understandable, thatís his right. Whatís more ó thatís smart.


The head coach lives this in a way that requires space for any major change. Emotional decisions are usually bad decisions, and Reid had to know the Will You Fire Your DC question was coming in the postmortem press conference the day after another embarrassing postseason collapse.

And he had to know he would answer it with a vague non-answer.

ďTime in this league has a funny way of working,Ē Reid said. ďYouíve gotta step back. Youíve gotta evaluate. Youíve gotta go through that process. Look at whatís real, and whatís not. You donít want to do it when youíre emotional or still tied into what happened obviously last night.

ďYouíve gotta fight that. A question like that, youíve gotta fight that. You step back and you evaluate it, and do whatís right for the Chiefs. If you always come back to that, youíre going to be OK.Ē

Thatís an 86-word excerpt from a longer answer that can be generally summarized: ďI just had my heart ripped out, again, and am not yet ready to make any decision more serious than lunch.Ē

Chiefs' Andy Reid reflects on Wild Card playoff loss: 'We've got to do better'
Kansas City Chiefs coach Andy Reid held a press conference a day after the Chiefsí 22-21 loss to the Tennessee Titans in an AFC Wild Card playoff game. It was the Chiefs' sixth straight home playoff loss, a NFL record.

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Again, you can understand where heís coming from. Even if he somehow has already decided to move on from Sutton, he hasnít had a chance to tell his friend and longtime assistant yet, and taking some time comes with no downside.

Potential replacements arenít being hired, and in fact may still be working. More to the point, Reidís coaching philosophy centers around personal accountability.

After every loss, he says some form of, ďwe need to get better and that starts with me.Ē After the offense played dead in the second half against the Titans, Reid said he called the plays that didnít work and assistant Matt Nagy called the plays that did.

Firing his defensive coordinator the next day would reek of scapegoating.

But if he hasnít yet, Reid must soon come to the cold and unemotional conclusion that the Chiefs need a new voice for the defense.

That needs to be only part of the change. Alex Smith must be replaced by Patrick Mahomes, offensive line coach Andy Heck needs to make a convincing case to keep his job, and no position group on the team underperformed as much as the defensive line coached by Reidís son Britt.

Reid himself should wear the biggest chunk of this loss. He just finished his 19th season as a head coach and by now has earned a reputation for regular season success and postseason failure.

Seventy-eight teams have led by 18 or more at halftime of a playoff game. Only four have lost, and two have been coached by Reid in the last five seasons. He is tied for the third-most playoff losses of any coach in NFL history, and the two ahead of him won multiple Super Bowls.

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According to ESPN research, Andy Reid's Chiefs teams are responsible for two of the only four times in modern NFL playoff history a team has blown an 18-point or larger halftime lead.

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Since 2001, he has won just one playoff game as the underdog, and lost seven as the favorite.

The loss to the Titans followed a familiar pattern: the offense went cold, the defense couldnít get off the field and the Chiefs had a chance to win at the end and failed.

The standard for this team was always postseason success, so the outcome is a failure, and any credible evaluation of another wasted opportunity must acknowledge Reidís share of this.

But heís not going anywhere, for better or worse. Chairman Clark Hunt values the stability Reid has created after the horror show Pioli years, Reid signed a contract extension last summer, and heíll oversee the quarterback transition to Patrick Mahomes.

Sutton has no excuse, and no cushion.

The Chiefs were 28th in total defense, and 27th in yards surrendered per play. They could not stop the run (24th in yards per carry, 202 given up in the playoff loss), which tended to overshadow the fact that they could not stop the pass (24th in yards per attempt).

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Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson called Saturday's playoff loss to the Titans one of the toughest of his career.

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The advanced metrics, if anything, are worse. Football Outsidersí DVOA ranks the Chiefs dead last in the league in overall defense.

This fits what the eye sees, too. They could not get off the field on third down (23rd, and second worst among playoff teams), and could not adjust to opponentsí schemes. Sutton allowed Daniel Sorensen to be exposed against the run for far too long, didnít do enough to scheme pressure, and was far too easy to manipulate.

His scheme had Justin Houston rushing the passer or dropping into coverage based on what the offense showed, which meant the other side was controlling what the Chiefsí best player did on any given snap.

Sutton had enough to work with, too, even after losing Eric Berry for the season. The Chiefs spend more than half their salary cap on defense, and thatís with stars like Chris Jones and Marcus Peters still on rookie deals, and Reggie Ragland playing for relative peanuts.

If it was bad luck that Berry played just one game, it was good luck that Houston played 17. The injury excuse is a tired one, anyway. Every team has something. The Titans had two defensive starters on IR, and they managed.

Coaches are supposed to put their players in position to succeed, and far too often, Sutton was doing the opposite. The Patriots gave up an average of 32 points in their first four games (including a season-high 42 to the Chiefs in the opener) and then an average of just 14 the rest of the way.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick is an unrealistic standard for defensive scheme, but this is two years in a row the Chiefs have lost a playoff game at home as the betting favorite largely because they could not stop the run and get off the field on third down.

Against the Titans, a team with a struggling quarterback and dangerous running back, the Chiefs used far too much nickel and even dime personnel ó including on Derrick Henryís 35 yard touchdown run in the fourth quarter.

Whether that was because the Titans were able to influence the Chiefsí substitutions with their own personnel, or because Sutton made the decision on his own is irrelevant. This just canít continue.

Let us say it one more time: Sutton is not the only problem, and may not even be the biggest.

Reid is Suttonís boss, and couldíve better protected his defense and an 18-point lead with more carries for the leagueís leading rusher.

Even so, the offense couldíve won the game on its last possession, and this is a staggering fact: all but one of the Chiefsí losses this season couldíve been wins if the offense performed better on its last drive.

The Chiefs arenít giving the next defensive coordinator a fair shot if they donít improve the personnel, too, which is part of why the team needs to replace Smith with Mahomes. The change would create $17 million in cap space and whatever draft picks they can acquire in a trade, which is enough for a corner, edge rusher, and defensive lineman.

There can be no doubt, in any part of the organization, about whether change is needed. We can have lively and smart debates about how far that change needs to go.

But there is no question that it needs to include the defensive coordinator, whenever Reid is ready.

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Old 01-07-2018, 06:19 PM   #76
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1 more year? Heís had 5 And 2 epic playoff collapses. How much more do you need to see?
The talent is not there for this defense to be good. If you think getting a new DC is going to magically make this defense a top-10 D you are guys are going to be sadly mistaken.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:19 PM   #77
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If we are gutting many older and overpaid players on the D we might as well change the scheme and the DC.
God knows who is going to be injured in 2018, can't be using that excuse for Sutton forever.
CHunt sensing the restless fanbase may force Reid to make a change, but fully expecting nothing to happen because Chiefs.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:20 PM   #78
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Find a DC that will take Houston and actually use him to rush the passer. Stop giving the WRs 10 yards of cushion. Stop running the nickel so ****ing much.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:20 PM   #79
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Take away the turnovers (by the players) and tell me how awesome and unpredictable Sutton is.

Tell me how you misutilize one of the best pass rushers in football.
well...his D is about dropping guys into coverage and creating turnovers and mistakes...so yes...without turnovers most defenses suck.

Weve been getting run over....to me thats the biggest problem.

that seems like a personnel issue to me . partially from losing EB....so I dunno..Im saying its REASONABLE to wait 1 more year..

Now, I also agree that it is REASONABLE to want his ass on a platter...for sure...I just dont think its insane or homeriffic to give him one more year to sort it out...thats all
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:21 PM   #80
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The talent is not there for this defense to be good. If you think getting a new DC is going to magically make this defense a top-10 D you are guys are going to be sadly mistaken.
From the same douche who thinks Alex needs more talent around him.
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He owns 2 of the worst defensive collapses in the history of the playoffs in only 5 years on the job. Get. The. ****. Out.
Yup.

Facts are evidence to support truth. I don't understand how loyalty can outweigh the truth. If that's the case, the finger needs to be pointed at Andy instead of Sutton.
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From the same douche who thinks Alex needs more talent around him.
I'm the one who said this defense ead bad along time ago while practically everyone was defending the defense and their 'ppg stat' you dumb mother****er.

We don't have a lot of talent on D. Getting a new DC does not solve that. Even if we do get a new DC better hit on some draft picks and hope Berry stays healthy otherwise the D will more than likely suck again.

Sorry but when you are as bad as this D is it's never just the coach who isn't even out there playing.
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What’s depressing is that it’s hard to see the defense improving that much next year with another year of age and few draft picks. Scheme is important and Sutton should be fired, but without the personnel there’s only so much you can do.
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Whatís depressing is that itís hard to see the defense improving that much next year with another year of age and few draft picks. Scheme is important and Sutton should be fired, but without the personnel thereís only so much you can do.
With the personel they've got it shoudln't be one of the worst defenses in the league though.

Probably not a top 5 unit but dead last? Nah.
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Pops showing what kind of cowardly inept shit hole he is. He should have resigned right after the game. **** you Bob.
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With the personel they've got it shoudln't be one of the worst defenses in the league though.

Probably not a top 5 unit but dead last? Nah.
Personnel.. as in Eric Berry, Justin Houston, Chris Jones and Marcus Peters?

Those three guys are good enough to make seven other guys a top 5 unit?

Really?
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Personnel.. as in Eric Berry, Justin Houston, Chris Jones and Marcus Peters?

Those three guys are good enough to make seven other guys a top 5 unit?

Really?
im thinking you need to practice reading more
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Well I don't think you can call a defense that kept opponents under the league average for points scored 56% of the season a bottom-tier unit, but okay.
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Personnel.. as in Eric Berry, Justin Houston, Chris Jones and Marcus Peters?

Those three guys are good enough to make seven other guys a top 5 unit?

Really?
Uh, no.

I don't think thats what I typed though so....

Those 4 guys are pretty good cornerstones to build around, and I think Ragland has showed potential to be a 5th guy there. THey need to build around them better.
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Uh, no.

I don't think thats what I typed though so....

Those 4 guys are pretty good cornerstones to build around, and I think Ragland has showed potential to be a 5th guy there. THey need to build around them better.
Q'ing myself here, but yeah, go ahead and fire Sutton but realize the front office has done basically nothing in terms of drafting and developing players since 2013.
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