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Old 04-09-2017, 08:57 AM  
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Okay, so WHAT exactly is so goddamn great about the 2018 QB class?

I see a loooooot of question marks here. A bunch of guys who would be 3rd or 4th rounders in THIS draft class if they declared this year. A bunch of these dudes are so young they might not even declare for the draft. And finally, we got a bunch of spread QBs who.... [gasp!]... need time to acclimate to an NFL pro style offense and develop the footwork and timing of taking snaps under center.

I see Sam Darnold. That's great. There's your #1 overall. IF HE ****ING DECLARES, THAT IS. I see Josh Rosen, who looked good in 2015 but could wind up as another Christian Hackenburg who never puts it all together. And I see a bunch of dried cum with question marks, JUST LIKE THIS QB DRAFT CLASS.

Here's how Walter Football has them ranked:

1. Sam Darnold, USC
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA
3. Luke Falk, Washington State
4. Josh Allen, Wyoming
5. Jarrett Stidham, Auburn
6. Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State
7. Chase Litton, Marshall
8. Riley Ferguson, Memphis

COULD this be an awesome and deep draft class for QBs? Yes, absoutely. No question about it. But guess what. There's an equal chance that this QB class flames out and looks just as bad as the 2013 class, particularly if Sam Darnold doesn't declare.

People who bitch about the 2017 class don't ****ing get it. They think if there's no true top end QB, that means they all suck. What do the Chiefs ****ing care about the quality of the top guys in a given QB draft class? We're not going to be in a position to draft them!

Again, let me say this slowly, so the retards and assholes can hear me:

In ANY GIVEN DRAFT CLASS, the top QB prospects with the best resumes and attributes are irrelevant to the QB draft needs of the Chiefs. The Chiefs have zero shot at picking any of them. The worst teams with the biggest QB needs will draft all of these players before Dorsey can even begin to pick up the goddamn phone to call and move up.

Tell me what we gain from NOT drafting a QB in 2017 so we can draft Josh Allen, Jarrett Stidham, or Chase ****ing Litton in 2018, a FULL YEAR LONGER where Alex Smith is the only ****ing thing we have at QB.
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Old 04-09-2017, 09:02 AM   #2
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Agreed. I posted as much, far less eloquently in RunKC's thread.

Our best shot is dumping 10 games to get us into the position to trade the farm for a guy.

Losing 2.5 times more games than we did this year is unlikely. Moreover if we got there, it is unlikely Dorsey would trade the farm for a guy.

RE: Darnold. He had 3/4 of a season, was beat out in camp and is from USC. Why are people all over this dude's junk?
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Old 04-09-2017, 09:04 AM   #3
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Old 04-09-2017, 09:05 AM   #4
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2019 class will include UGA QB Nick Eason. He will be the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. None of those 2018 guys are close to him.
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Old 04-09-2017, 09:18 AM   #5
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2 years? Really?
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Old 04-09-2017, 09:19 AM   #6
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2 years? Really?



It's always been that way. It's time to shit or get off the pot.
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Old 04-09-2017, 09:23 AM   #7
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Agreed. I posted as much, far less eloquently in RunKC's thread.

Our best shot is dumping 10 games to get us into the position to trade the farm for a guy.

Losing 2.5 times more games than we did this year is unlikely. Moreover if we got there, it is unlikely Dorsey would trade the farm for a guy.

RE: Darnold. He had 3/4 of a season, was beat out in camp and is from USC. Why are people all over this dude's junk?

USC's season totally turned around when Darnold was named the starter. He has leadership, he can scramble, he has a lightening fast release, is accurate on the run. He isn't the prototypical USC QB in the Palmer, Booty, Leinart model. He had to play with less talent due to sanctions.

Falk is Brady-like. Very accurate on short passes even to the side lines. Has a surprising deep ball but it is not his main weapon. He can scramble a bit but prefers not to. The knock on him is that he holds the ball far to long sometimes.

Rosen I am not totally sold on. He had a great beginning of a freshman year but has cooled off a lot since then. There is also injury history there that might be concerning.
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Old 04-09-2017, 09:27 AM   #8
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2 years? Really?
I am ready to draft a QB. That said, I would be fine with stock piling first round picks to move up and get a really good QB prospect in 2018 or 2019. Especially if we can't move down and Watson is gone by our pick this year. I bet we could have three firsts next year if we wanted.

The thing is they actually have to do it. Not just talk about it.
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Old 04-09-2017, 09:35 AM   #9
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I am ready to draft a QB. That said, I would be fine with stock piling first round picks to move up and get a really good QB prospect in 2018 or 2019. Especially if we can't move down and Watson is gone by our pick this year. I bet we could have three firsts next year if we wanted.

The thing is they actually have to do it. Not just talk about it.
Once again, if Eason is Andrew Luck, we're not getting him. We're not stockpiling picks, and even if we did, it wouldn't be enough for us to jump from the 20s to #1 overall. There is no price or amount of draft picks that will ever be enough, because eventually the team trading with us will say, "Listen, thanks for your entire draft for the next 3 years, but uhh... we'd probably just rather keep this pick right here thank you."

Worrying about the top QBs in a draft class was what we did during Herm and Pioli. It didn't work. The franchise was too chickenshit. That dream died the day we traded for Alex. Now we have to gauge the 3rd, 4th, 5th best QB talents in a given draft class. Because that's the only shit that will ever fall to us that we'll be in a position to draft or move up and draft.
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Add Luke Falk and Mason Rudolph to that class.

It's the top 4 and the rest are the same developmental QB's as this years crop. Top 4 will all be gone in the top 10.

Morons saying to wait for next year dont understand we would have to give up 3 first rd picks, two 2nd and a 3rd to even begin consulting with a team to move up that high.
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Yep. I started out with the 2018 mentality, but truth is we dont have a clue if it will even pan out as well as this one in the long run. They need to decide if one or more of these guys has the tools, and can run the system, after a year, and If he's available, ****ing draft him.
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Add Luke Falk and Mason Rudolph to that class.

It's the top 4 and the rest are the same developmental QB's as this years crop. Top 4 will all be gone in the top 10.

Morons saying to wait for next year dont understand we would have to give up 3 first rd picks, two 2nd and a 3rd to even begin consulting with a team to move up that high.
Two spread offense QBs who need time to acclimate to taking snaps under center and learning added complications to NFL playbooks? No problem! They're fine!

Oh, unless you're Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubisky, or Patrick Mahomes. Then it's the end of the world! No way they can acclimate to the pros!
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Two spread offense QBs who need time to acclimate to taking snaps under center and learning added complications to NFL playbooks? No problem! They're fine!

Oh, unless you're Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubisky, or Patrick Mahomes. Then it's the end of the world! No way they can acclimate to the pros!
Leach's system is quite a bit different from most spread systems. First Falk gets two play calls:a run and a pass. He determines which to run. After that it is up to him to change protections and routes based on the pre-snap read of the D. It isn't simply looking at the sideline and running tempo. In fact Leach rarely runs tempo offense.
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USC's season totally turned around when Darnold was named the starter. He has leadership, he can scramble, he has a lightening fast release, is accurate on the run. He isn't the prototypical USC QB in the Palmer, Booty, Leinart model. He had to play with less talent due to sanctions.

Falk is Brady-like. Very accurate on short passes even to the side lines. Has a surprising deep ball but it is not his main weapon. He can scramble a bit but prefers not to. The knock on him is that he holds the ball far to long sometimes.

Rosen I am not totally sold on. He had a great beginning of a freshman year but has cooled off a lot since then. There is also injury history there that might be concerning.
Right. He did that on 3/4 of a season. He looks the part but how many have and have taken steps back during their college careers?

It is really pretty dumb to make decisions for the now based on what some college kid may do in a year.
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