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Old 01-23-2011, 11:58 AM  
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Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.


Some of you are AR shooters Im sure. Im looking at a Colt 6920. Will be my first AR. Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it. Any feedback on that weapon?



Anyone else been in a buy/sell/trade mood with hardware?

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Old 05-29-2015, 02:16 PM   #7486
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:34 PM   #7487
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God, I wish Lawrence had a dedicated gun store. I usually try to pick up 100-200 rounds of 9mm a month. But holy shit is it impossible to get help at the ammo counter at Dick's or Walmart.

I went to Dick's to buy 100 rds of 124gr FMJ 9mm and ended up walking out with a dozen Bridge Stone golf balls.
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Old 05-29-2015, 04:20 PM   #7488
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Old 05-29-2015, 04:22 PM   #7489
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this is page 500 of this thread, and Munson delivers with a beautiful 1911...
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Old 05-30-2015, 07:33 PM   #7490
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I want a FN 5-7. Anyone played with one before? Thoughts?

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Old 06-03-2015, 11:34 AM   #7491
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Has anyone heard of Patrick Kilcherman and the Concealed Carry University? I'm not trying to put in a plug for them or anything, but I'm pretty impressed. I bought their training course called The Armed American's Complete Concealed Carry Guide to Effective Self Defense. Yes, the title is long, and the course was long as well. 7 DVD's and about 20 hours total. I found it actually very educational and had a LOT of good tips regarding everything from mindset to gear to training etc. It was very comprehensive.

I was curious if anyone else had heard of this guy, the organization or the program, and what you thought of it.

I've got a lot of information now regarding concealed carry that I didn't have before, and I feel a ton more confident going forward. Honestly, if you haven't you should check this program out.
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Old 06-03-2015, 02:25 PM   #7492
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Palmetto State Armory has a good deal on Federal 7.62x51 for $9.99 per box (20 rounds).

Usually when its on sale it costs $11.99 per box.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ds-xm80cl.html
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Old 06-03-2015, 03:12 PM   #7493
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I've always thought everyone should be introduced to guns and shooting, even if they say they never plan to own one. At the very least the experience gives them some form of an informed opinion, and if the day ever comes where they need to use one that's laying in front of them they will at least be able to pick it up and appear to know how to use it.
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Old 06-06-2015, 04:51 AM   #7494
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I want a FN 5-7. Anyone played with one before? Thoughts?

I have one(but that's an airsoft picture btw! ).

The fiveSeven is a hell of alot of fun to shoot.....little recoil....but it has some 'blast' to it, can make people flinch more even though it doesn't recoil. Really fun to shoot and shoots flat can be very accurate at range.

Negative...ammo is kinda pricey but getting somewhat better. Reloading while technically possible is much more difficult than normal. Grip longer than many...if you have a small hand it could be an issue.

But you also get 20 rounds standard and 30 rounds per mag extended.

Overall really fun to shoot....and has the added bonus of pissing off many of the anti types.

BTW they have the MK2(sold since 2013 I think) that has a different one piece slide and all black controls(gets rid of the nasty grey controls).
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Old 06-06-2015, 05:09 AM   #7495
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I want a FN 5-7. Anyone played with one before? Thoughts?

Shot them a couple times. Very fun but impractical for self defense in my opinion. I donít think they make any hollow point ammo and high velocity and deep penetration. The only reason I would know of buying one for self defense is thereís a round good for piercing bullet proof vests because of itís speed and pointy, small impact area. Pretty sure itís restricted to law dogs too.

Unless you donít mind spending the money a LR22 would give you about the same experience for a lot less money. Iíd take a 9mm for CCW any day.

They do have a hollow point actually. The armor piercing is at the bottom: http://www.ammo-one.com/5-7x28mm.html

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Old 06-06-2015, 05:21 AM   #7496
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Shot them a couple times. Very fun but impractical for self defense in my opinion. I donít think they make any hollow point ammo and high velocity and deep penetration. The only reason I would know of buying one for self defense is thereís a round good for piercing bullet proof vests because of itís speed and pointy, small impact area. Pretty sure itís restricted to law dogs too.

Unless you donít mind spending the money a LR22 would give you about the same experience for a lot less money. Iíd take a 9mm for CCW any day.
As a purely technical point, hollow point is unnecessary in the 5.7 round. Why? It's been specifically engineered to tumble once it enters tissue. They do this by shifting the center of mass of the bullet rearward so that when the tip slows down radically by entering tissue the back end comes around initiating significant yaw.

For bullets not designed to tumble hollow points are useful....for bullets designed to tumble they don't provide much added benefit. The 5.7 bullet is long....when it tumbles it generates a significant wound cavity.

Note sporting 5.7 ammo out of the fiveSeven won't reach high enough velocity to penetrate a IIIa vest. Out of the PS90 it will but not the fiveSeven. To penetrate soft armor with the fiveSeven you would need to use the LE ammo or in some cases very hot aftermarket ammo.
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As a purely technical point, hollow point is unnecessary in the 5.7 round. Why? It's been specifically engineered to tumble once it enters tissue. They do this by shifting the center of mass of the bullet rearward so that when the tip slows down radically by entering tissue the back end comes around initiating significant yaw.

For bullets not designed to tumble hollow points are useful....for bullets designed to tumble they don't provide much added benefit. The 5.7 bullet is long....when it tumbles it generates a significant wound cavity.

Note sporting 5.7 ammo out of the fiveSeven won't reach high enough velocity to penetrate a IIIa vest. Out of the PS90 it will but not the fiveSeven. To penetrate soft armor with the fiveSeven you would need to use the LE ammo or in some cases very hot aftermarket ammo.
Sounds like CrazyPhuD knows a lot more than me. I had no idea the rounds were designed to tumble. That makes a big difference in CCW consideration.
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Sounds like CrazyPhuD knows a lot more than me. I had no idea the rounds were designed to tumble. That makes a big difference in CCW consideration.
Well to be fair I own one, so I better know what it can and can't do!(well theoretically)

The design is pretty cool....low recoil...high capacity and designed to tumble....just need more guns chambered for it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_5.7%C3%9728mm

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Has anyone heard of Patrick Kilcherman and the Concealed Carry University? I'm not trying to put in a plug for them or anything, but I'm pretty impressed. I bought their training course called The Armed American's Complete Concealed Carry Guide to Effective Self Defense. Yes, the title is long, and the course was long as well. 7 DVD's and about 20 hours total. I found it actually very educational and had a LOT of good tips regarding everything from mindset to gear to training etc. It was very comprehensive.

I was curious if anyone else had heard of this guy, the organization or the program, and what you thought of it.

I've got a lot of information now regarding concealed carry that I didn't have before, and I feel a ton more confident going forward. Honestly, if you haven't you should check this program out.
So...nobody has heard of this guy or that organization?
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So...nobody has heard of this guy or that organization?
I sure haven't. My buddy runs the CCW class out in Wahoo, if your interested in taking a class PM me.
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