Mother**** you Scott Pioli

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Crush

Thomas Jones is "solid enough?" The guy gassed out in the second half of 2010. He was completely useless in 2011. However, the so-called positives do not cancel out the main negative: Matt Cassel. This is Pioli's boy. This is Pioli's interpretation of a franchise QB. That is a massive FAIL by Pioli and should be fired because of it.

The 3 stopgaps I brought up because they were solid enough to start. Not bad, not good. Average at best. But fine because they didn't cost anything and they are only here until we find a replacement. Jones is one of those guys. He was certainly serviceable in his time here.

But as I mentioned before, those good moves were balanced out by enormous mistakes made not by error in judgement, as much as it was driven by ego. I'd be okay with the Cassel move, if he admitted the mistake and moved on. I'd be okay with the Haley firing, if not for the fact that he was willing to sabotage Haley, even if that came at the team's expense. And worst thing is, I don't feel like this is ever going to change.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Everyone keeps saying this but they can't name one person who would have done anything better than Cassel.

Any QB that can accurately throw farther than 10 yards for starters.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Crush

Any QB that can accurately throw farther than 10 yards for starters.

Shouldn't be hard to throw out a name then. You've got 3 years of names to pick through.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Everyone keeps saying this but they can't name one person who would have done anything better than Cassel.

There are a million and a half backups they could have and should have brought in at virtually no cost. Putting all your eggs into the basket of "if Cassel gets injured, we're ****ed" is not a good strategy.

And I don't care if we whiffed on a QB. Or even if we only used a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't wait until the third year to bring legit QB competition. In 2010, the Chiefs should have at least drafted a young, raw prospect to develop on the bench.

The point isn't that they whiffed on some great QB. The point is that in 3 years, they didn't even try to bring in anyone who could possibly compete with Cassel.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Simplicity

Nope, he nailed it. The only thing I would change is Travis Daniels..

I still believe Daniels is one of the most underrated guys on our roster. We got him for pennies. There have been games where Flowers has missed time and Daniels looked really solid. He's a really solid depth guy to have. You can never have too many corners.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Crush

Thomas Jones is "solid enough?" The guy gassed out in the second half of 2010. He was completely useless in 2011. However, the so-called positives do not cancel out the main negative: Matt Cassel. This is Pioli's boy. This is Pioli's interpretation of a franchise QB. That is a massive FAIL by Pioli and should be fired because of it.

You're firing the GM for one player move? Jeez, just imagine if we'd really committed to a crappy QB and drafted Sanchez. We acquired Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd, you guys would really be out for blood if it'd been a 1st round pick.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There are a million and a half backups they could have and should have brought in at virtually no cost. Putting all your eggs into the basket of "if Cassel gets injured, we're ****ed" is not a good strategy.

And I don't care if we whiffed on a QB. Or even if we only used a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't wait until the third year to bring legit QB competition. In 2010, the Chiefs should have at least drafted a young, raw prospect to develop on the bench.

The point isn't that they whiffed on some great QB. The point is that in 3 years, they didn't even try to bring in anyone who could possibly compete with Cassel.

Really? The second best QB to come out of the 2010 draft is Colt McCoy. Give me a ****ing break.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Shouldn't be hard to throw out a name then. You've got 3 years of names to pick through.

Ricky Stanzi
Matt Moore
Kyle Orton
Mark Sanchez
David Gerrard
A broke-dick Brett Favre
Rex Grossman
Jimmy Clausen
Ryan Mallet

Just to name a few.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Messier

You're firing the GM for one player move? Jeez, just imagine if we'd really committed to a crappy QB and drafted Sanchez. We acquired Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd, you guys would really be out for blood if it'd been a 1st round pick.

The QB is the most important position on the field. Everything else is gravy. If you do not have a franchise QB, then you keep looking for one. Pioli saw Matt Cassel practice and play and said to himself, "That is my franchise QB." Yes, Pioli should be fired for that alone.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Crush

Ricky Stanzi
Matt Moore
Kyle Orton
Mark Sanchez
David Gerrard
A broke-dick Brett Favre
Rex Grossman
Jimmy Clausen
Ryan Mallet

Just to name a few.

Yes, all of these QBs are better than Cassel. They're not franchise QBs, but they would have been cheaper and better than Matt "I graded out perfectly" Cassel.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There are a million and a half backups they could have and should have brought in at virtually no cost. Putting all your eggs into the basket of "if Cassel gets injured, we're ****ed" is not a good strategy.

And I don't care if we whiffed on a QB. Or even if we only used a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't wait until the third year to bring legit QB competition. In 2010, the Chiefs should have at least drafted a young, raw prospect to develop on the bench.

The point isn't that they whiffed on some great QB. The point is that in 3 years, they didn't even try to bring in anyone who could possibly compete with Cassel.

Whiffed of some great QBs?

And here's what I think happened with the QB situation last year, just my theory, I think it was Haleys idea to go into the season with Palko as the top back up, and when Cassel went down Haley stuck with Palko. Pioli then picked up Orton to try and force haley to sit Palko, he didn't do it, goodbye Haley.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Crush

Yes, all of these QBs are better than Cassel. They're not franchise QBs, but they would have been cheaper and better than Matt "I graded out perfectly" Cassel.

Most of your list he couldn't bring in.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Crush

Ricky Stanzi
Matt Moore
Kyle Orton
Mark Sanchez
David Gerrard
A broke-dick Brett Favre
Rex Grossman
Jimmy Clausen
Ryan Mallet

Just to name a few.

Outside of the guys that haven't played, we'd be bitching about all those guys too. None of those guys make KC a threat. A franchise type guy hasn't been available to acquire yet.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Most of your list he couldn't bring in.

After the 2009 season, he should have said, "I ****ed up," and then cut Cassel and attempt to fix the situation. However, signing the guy to a $63 million dollar extension before playing a down should have been a fireable offense on the spot.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by PGM

Outside of the guy's that haven't played, we'd be bitching about all those guys too. None of those guy's make KC a threat. A franchise type guy hasn't been available to acquire yet.

At least they wouldn't have been coddled and paid like a franchise QB.