Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 10

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

rabblerouser · 12-30-2014, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

He'd still be Alex Smith, we'd still be wondering why he takes head-scratching sacks, never pushes the ball downfield and blaming everything he doesn't do on everybody around him.

Dude, the KC offensive line and WR corps are substandard by ANY NFL teams standards.

Even Jacksonville has a better receiving corps than Alex Smith has.

If it were me making decisions, I don't throw deep to AJ Jenkins either. I don't trust him. While that happens, neither guard blocks their man and I'm buried under an avalanche of LBS and DLs.

The sacks aren't 'head-scratching'; The line is terrible and the wide receivers cant even make it to the end zone when there's nothing but green to 6 and ball in hand.

Discuss Thrower · 12-30-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny961

Alex never will be a gunslinger. With better protection though it gives the intermediate and longer routes more time to develop.

Alex + 2002-2005 Chiefs OL = Still topping out at just over 9 yards/completion.

Compared to Green's 12.9.

rabblerouser · 12-30-2014, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Alex + 2002-2005 Chiefs OL = Still topping out at just over 9 yards/completion.

Compared to Green's 12.9.

No way. Charles takes those screen passes 70 yards to the house just like Priest did.

Hootie · 12-30-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Alex + 2002-2005 Chiefs OL = Still topping out at just over 9 yards/completion.

Compared to Green's 12.9.

and how would Trent have fared with the 2014 Chiefs line?

I bet we'd have won less games with Trent at QB this year than with Alex. As soon as Trent lost his line he lost his game. I said as much during the Huard/Green debate. Shit, Trent had a bit of Alex in him where towards the end he struggled throwing to guys unless they were wide open, whereas Huard would chuck it to TG or DB every time no questions asked and just hoped they'd make a play. And the Huard method was more effective.

Sandy Vagina · 12-30-2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

No way. Charles takes those screen passes 70 yards to the house just like Priest did.

Great point. KC loves their screen game, but really suffers in the screen game with a bad OL.

rabblerouser · 12-30-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

and how would Trent have fared with the 2014 Chiefs line?

I bet we'd have won less games with Trent at QB this year than with Alex. As soon as Trent lost his line he lost his game. I said as much during the Huard/Green debate. Shit, Trent had a bit of Alex in him where towards the end he struggled throwing to guys unless they were wide open, whereas Huard would chuck it to TG or DB every time no questions asked and just hoped they'd make a play. And the Huard method was more effective.

Green was done as soon as Roaf retired.

It was just the rainy afternoon against Cincy when his head flattened against the ground that made it final.

I was surprised that he ever took another NFL snap. That was disgusting, and horrifying.

Hootie · 12-30-2014, 02:34 PM

It's a shame that some of us who are realistic about Alex Smith are no longer allowed to say "the Chiefs line sucked" or "our receivers weren't good enough" because then Clay and his band of reeruns will tell us we're making excuses for Alex Smith ... you know, even though Alex Smith also wasn't good enough.

We were a good offensive team if we had the lead and were able to mix plays up. Efficient. As soon as they took our run away or as soon as we had an obvious passing down, we sucked.

I'd be willing to bet we were one of the better 3rd and short teams in the NFL, and probably one of the worst 3rd & 8 or further teams.

The band of reeruns can keep on acting like Alex Smith was THE ONLY problem, but they are just dumb. He needs to be better, and our offense needs to be better, starting with the line.

We were a 4 win team with Derek Carr.
a 9 win team with Alex Smith.
A 10 win team with Matt Ryan.
A 12 win team win with Peyton Manning.
A 13-14 win team with Russell Wilson (perfect for a team with a struggling line).

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-30-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

and how would Trent have fared with the 2014 Chiefs line?

I bet we'd have won less games with Trent at QB this year than with Alex. As soon as Trent lost his line he lost his game. I said as much during the Huard/Green debate. Shit, Trent had a bit of Alex in him where towards the end he struggled throwing to guys unless they were wide open, whereas Huard would chuck it to TG or DB every time no questions asked and just hoped they'd make a play. And the Huard method was more effective.

To be fair, that was also a 36-year-old Trent Green whose brain was scrambled like a Shop-Vac'ed fetus and who played with different rules for hitting receivers.

When Roaf was out for long stretches in 2005 and Green was constantly harassed around the blind side he still had a number of performances that lay waste to Smith.

rabblerouser · 12-30-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

It's a shame that some of us who are realistic about Alex Smith are no longer allowed to say "the Chiefs line sucked" or "our receivers weren't good enough" because then Clay and his band of reeruns will tell us we're making excuses for Alex Smith ... you know, even though Alex Smith also wasn't good enough.

We were a good offensive team if we had the lead and were able to mix plays up. Efficient. As soon as they took our run away or as soon as we had an obvious passing down, we sucked.

I'd be willing to bet we were one of the better 3rd and short teams in the NFL, and probably one of the worst 3rd & 8 or further teams.

The band of reeruns can keep on acting like Alex Smith was THE ONLY problem, but they are just dumb. He needs to be better, and our offense needs to be better, starting with the line.

We were a 4 win team with Derek Carr.
a 9 win team with Alex Smith.
A 10 win team with Matt Ryan.
A 12 win team win with Peyton Manning.
A 13-14 win team with Russell Wilson (perfect for a team with a struggling line).

How are we a 10 win team with Matt Ryan, if he couldn't even get 6 or 7 games together to win the HORRENDOUS NFC South?? Dude has Julio and Roddy, and a running game, AND some semblance of a defense...in addition to half of last year's KC line, the parts we're supposedly missing (ie Schwartz & Asamoah)??

Sandy Vagina · 12-30-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

How are we a 10 win team with Matt Ryan, if he couldn't even get 6 or 7 games together to win the HORRENDOUS NFC South?? Dude has Julio and Roddy, and a running game, AND some semblance of a defense...in addition to half of last year's KC line, the parts we're supposedly missing (ie Schwartz & Asamoah)??

because it's FUN to wildly speculate with an agenda!

WE would have won at least 12 games had Catapano played!

We would have won all our games had TYler Bray played! Prove me wrong!

rabblerouser · 12-30-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

To be fair, that was also a 36-year-old Trent Green whose brain was scrambled like a Shop-Vac'ed fetus and who played with different rules for hitting receivers.

When Roaf was out for long stretches in 2005 and Green was constantly harassed around the blind side he still had a number of performances that lay waste to Smith.

Like when he blew the 18 pt lead to Philly??

Or when when we lost at Buffalo to an inferior Bills team??

Don't kid yourself; Trent looked liked shit with Jordan Black at LT. It ended Priest's career in San Diego, and that's when we really saw that Trent alone would not get it done. You know it as well as I do. That whole team was built around a HOF O-line, a smart RB that could read and set up blocks, and a heady QB with average arm strength and mobility that would do exactly what his coaches tell him and doesn't make many mistakes...

Discuss Thrower · 12-30-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

It's a shame that some of us who are realistic about Alex Smith are no longer allowed to say "the Chiefs line sucked" or "our receivers weren't good enough" because then Clay and his band of reeruns will tell us we're making excuses for Alex Smith ... you know, even though Alex Smith also wasn't good enough.

We were a good offensive team if we had the lead and were able to mix plays up. Efficient. As soon as they took our run away or as soon as we had an obvious passing down, we sucked.

I'd be willing to bet we were one of the better 3rd and short teams in the NFL, and probably one of the worst 3rd & 8 or further teams.

The band of reeruns can keep on acting like Alex Smith was THE ONLY problem, but they are just dumb. He needs to be better, and our offense needs to be better, starting with the line.

We were a 4 win team with Derek Carr.
a 9 win team with Alex Smith.
A 10 win team with Matt Ryan.
A 12 win team win with Peyton Manning.
A 13-14 win team with Russell Wilson (perfect for a team with a struggling line).

Go ahead and give Alex the best line you can assemble in one offseason and find two starting caliber WRs to go along with Bowe and Kelce in that same span. Guarantee you Smith won't eclipse the numbers he put up in 2011-2013 (keeping in mind this is impossible due to the salary cap hit Smith has incurred as well as the two top 64 draft picks the Chiefs surrendered to get him in the first place).

Give Smith Roaf - Shields - Wiegmann - Waters - Tait in front of him with Bowe, Gonzalez, Kelce and Kennison on the perimeter and he doesn't eclipse what he did in 2011-2013.

He has no gumption to be the type of quarterback that is required of any team that intends to compete for championships.

He's the perfect guy to keep the seat warm for that kind of guy in an injury situation though. So there's that.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-30-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

How are we a 10 win team with Matt Ryan, if he couldn't even get 6 or 7 games together to win the HORRENDOUS NFC South?? Dude has Julio and Roddy, and a running game, AND some semblance of a defense...in addition to half of last year's KC line, the parts we're supposedly missing (ie Schwartz & Asamoah)??

Because the Falcons defense is horrendous and they have less than no running game.

Outside of Trufant and Paul Worrilow, I don't think Atlanta has a single player who would start for the Chiefs defense,

rabblerouser · 12-30-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Because the Falcons defense is horrendous and they have less than no running game.

Outside of Trufant and Paul Worrilow, I don't think Atlanta has a single player who would start for the Chiefs defense,

Not even Tyson Jackson??

(See what I did there??)

Hootie · 12-30-2014, 02:49 PM

I'm as tired as everyone of mediocrity.

But you guys are trying to act like Alex Smith was a HORRIBLE QB this year. He wasn't. I don't like the brand of football we play, it's 2014, we have to throw the ball down the field.

But let's stop pretending like Alex is a bottom-tier QB. He isn't. He's just average. I, myself, am tired of average.

But this board constantly overreacts.

Trent ALWAYS had the same issues when our offense became obvious. Always. As soon as the defense knew we had to pass, Trent was ineffective. Trent Green is probably my 3rd or 4th favorite Chief ever ... but to act like he is HEAD AND SHOULDERS better than Alex Smith is hilarious to me.

Trent was good. Alex is good. Neither were good enough.

12-30-2014, 11:06 AM
cmh6476 Keep Camp Home! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Joe MO Casino cash: $2746277	Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM Trent Green 2002 (32 years old) 287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old) 303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.
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12-30-2014, 02:34 PM	#142
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	It's a shame that some of us who are realistic about Alex Smith are no longer allowed to say "the Chiefs line sucked" or "our receivers weren't good enough" because then Clay and his band of reeruns will tell us we're making excuses for Alex Smith ... you know, even though Alex Smith also wasn't good enough. We were a good offensive team if we had the lead and were able to mix plays up. Efficient. As soon as they took our run away or as soon as we had an obvious passing down, we sucked. I'd be willing to bet we were one of the better 3rd and short teams in the NFL, and probably one of the worst 3rd & 8 or further teams. The band of reeruns can keep on acting like Alex Smith was THE ONLY problem, but they are just dumb. He needs to be better, and our offense needs to be better, starting with the line. We were a 4 win team with Derek Carr. a 9 win team with Alex Smith. A 10 win team with Matt Ryan. A 12 win team win with Peyton Manning. A 13-14 win team with Russell Wilson (perfect for a team with a struggling line).
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12-30-2014, 02:49 PM	#150
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I'm as tired as everyone of mediocrity. But you guys are trying to act like Alex Smith was a HORRIBLE QB this year. He wasn't. I don't like the brand of football we play, it's 2014, we have to throw the ball down the field. But let's stop pretending like Alex is a bottom-tier QB. He isn't. He's just average. I, myself, am tired of average. But this board constantly overreacts. Trent ALWAYS had the same issues when our offense became obvious. Always. As soon as the defense knew we had to pass, Trent was ineffective. Trent Green is probably my 3rd or 4th favorite Chief ever ... but to act like he is HEAD AND SHOULDERS better than Alex Smith is hilarious to me. Trent was good. Alex is good. Neither were good enough.
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