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Old 11-18-2012, 08:36 PM  
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After another embarrassing home loss by the Kansas City Chiefs that featured a lackluster crowd wearing more black than red in the stands, I’m ready to give in to the fact that all the blame for the teams 1-9 record can’t be placed at the feet of General Manager, Scott Pioli.

I know I’ve heard it from all of you and probably said it myself in regards to the Chiefs embattled General Manager, Scott Pioli. It’s the same story when I talk to Chiefs fans around town, Pioli must be fired. But as I stated on my TV appearance sunday morning on KSHB TV 41, I really don’t see Chairman, Clark Hunt, making that move.

Yes there’s going to be changes in January for the Chiefs. They may include a new Head coach, a new offensive coordinator and not one but likely two new quarterbacks added on or before draft day. But the one place that fans want it the most at the general manager position, may not even occur.

If you sit back and look at the team as a whole, Scott Pioli isn’t the primary reason the Chiefs are failing right now on the field. Sure he’s responsible for assembling the current team in his image; the one he carried with him to Kansas City from New England. But I have to believe, that Pioli, with so much pressure on his shoulders, may have become more humble in November than at the beginning of the season.

And that probably has to do something with the fact this entire city wants his job handed to him on a silver platter with a one-way bus pass out of town to boot. Again, I just don’t see it that happening after this miserable season ends.

Instead I lend more credence to the fact that Pioli, who is still entrusted by ownership to fix the team going forward, will get another shot to deliver the goods in 2013.

And if I were Clark Hunt, I’d lean far more towards opening up the purse strings in free agency and make other changes on the coaching staff; that could finally put the two men atop the organization on the same page.

As fans, what we’re missing with our anger at both men is we forget they’re paddling backwards in the same row boat. Hunt knows he can never shed the image of his late father, Founder Lamar Hunt, until he delivers Super Bowl to this town and Pioli has yet to shake the image he can win without Bill Belichick

So both men have something at stake, and even more to prove.

And to date with Hunt being silent and Pioli yet to give up more to the media of any real substance, all signs indicate that behind the Arrowhead curtain, the distance between both men - might not be that far apart.

I’m sure this isn’t what Chiefs fans want to hear. And I can already hear you cursing me that I’m heading another direction. But I’m a realist. And with 50 years of life on this earth as a Chiefs fan, I’ve seen it all in Kansas City.

But I do.

I’m not sure why the sudden epiphany occurred on Sunday watching the game from the press box. But as I entered the Arrowhead gates today barely hitting my brakes on my car once as I left Johnson County, it hit me, Pioli probably is coming back next season.

So I thought instead of writing about another Chiefs loss on Sunday, I’d talk myself into refusing to buy into the fact that Pioli is to blame for everything. Yes he has much to do with the teams failures this season. But he can’t make the players do what the coaches are telling them to do on the field. Nor can he instruct his coaches how to get that done.

At the core of Pioli’s rise from grabbing leftover pizza after an 18 hour days as an intern in Cleveland to a three time Super Bowl winning General Manager, he’s now experience the highest of highs and the lowest of lows.

So that could mean as he sits at the crossroads of his professional career in Kansas City, maybe he’s learned something. I think he’s learned that dipping into the ‘Patriot Way’ does not work in this town.

Or maybe he’s learned that treating agents who have high profile Thorobreds in their stables, might land a few more of them in Kansas City in 2013.

And just maybe if your a diehard like yours truly, he appreciates the last chance he might get from his owner to right the Chiefs ship, by understanding that finding another way to get things done is critical for long-term tenure in Kansas City.

Thus if Pioli does let down his guard and starts making decisions based on a consensus that comes from a deep rooted, well thought out offseason game plan that puts everyone in this organization on the same page, he just might get the job done.

However for this philosophical, humbling plan to work, ownership has to start speaking and give Pioli a thumbs up for 2013. Because the longer Clark Hunt stays silent contemplating changes and keeping them in secret as he has to date, more fans will fade to black.

So as we sit at 1-9 on the season, you have to wonder no matter which road Hunt takes regarding the future of Scott Pioli, my gut tells me that ownership isn’t going to make the grand gesture to the fan base that they’re clamoring for at this time.

Instead, much like Lamar Hunt did with Carl Peterson’s initial five-year plan and the three that nearly followed, that young Hunt probably should give a humbled and motivated Pioli, one more season to fix the mess they all created together.

If not, then at least during Thanksgiving week, I’m taking a break from the negative energy surrounding this organization and going to eat my Turkey and fixings in peace.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:53 PM   #76
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:10 AM   #77
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Most ppl thought the chiefs would win the division. .. You can blame pioli for cassel and many of the other players but not for being so bad to be 1 and 8... That is inexcusable. If everybody thought the Chiefs were gonna be good and weren't. . How much of that is really the gms fault
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:18 AM   #78
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:45 AM   #79
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Most ppl thought the chiefs would win the division. .. You can blame pioli for cassel and many of the other players but not for being so bad to be 1 and 8... That is inexcusable. If everybody thought the Chiefs were gonna be good and weren't. . How much of that is really the gms fault
He is the GM.

He picks the players.

He picks the coaches.

He sets the entire offkey tone for the organization.

It is all his ****ing fault.

100 percent of it.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:16 AM   #80
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He is the GM.

He picks the players.

He picks the coaches.

He sets the entire offkey tone for the organization.

It is all his ****ing fault.

100 percent of it.
That and Carl never had a five year plan.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:23 AM   #81
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He is the GM.

He picks the players.

He picks the coaches.

He sets the entire offkey tone for the organization.

It is all his ****ing fault.

100 percent of it.
At the end of the day it comes down to this ^. Too many people try to ignore it and give him a pass for certain things.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:26 AM   #82
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:19 AM   #83
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Not Pioli's fault? Under Pioli:

1. Todd Haley was made head coach for 2.8 seasons before they finally got rid of his ass for failing to do what Edwards and Vermeil were also unable to do with the team, win a playoff game.
2. Matt Cassell was given a 5 year contract for $62 million, and has shown he's not even worth half of that contract. His only credentials was starting 15 regular season games behind the #1 offensive line of the NE Patriots.
3. Dwayne Bowe was made the team franchise player at a yearly salary of $9 million. It wouldn't be so bad if he were more consistent with his catching.
4. Two former Broncos "mediocre" QB's were signed to the team (Kyle Orton late last season, Brady Quinn this season), and neither have performed well.
5. Rick Stanzi has been treated the same way that Matt Blundin was treated in KC when Carl Peterson was GM: tagged as the team's "inactive bench warmer QB."
6. The team so far has had an overall win-loss record of 22-36 since 2009. If you count the losses they had under Herman Edwards as well (final three years of King Carl as GM), the Chiefs have had a total of 69 regular season losses in the last 6.5 seasons. That's an adjusted average of 10.4 losses per year.
7. The current offense has been more than 3 times worse than the Chiefs' offense of the 1990's.

Are the above factors not enough proof that Clark Hunt hired the wrong guy to replace King Carl nearly 4 years ago? At least with team Peterson/Schottenheimer, the Chiefs were making the playoffs several years in a row.

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Old 11-19-2012, 04:21 AM   #84
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:40 AM   #87
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dick athan was on 810 this morning talking about how he didn't take SOC seriously until he showed up to the game yesterday...

random note, listening to Herm on 610 have to talk about pioli's failures is always weird...you know he's thinking "I was fired for this clown?"
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:53 AM   #89
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I'm not going to say it's 100% Pioli's fault because he's not on the field. What I am going to say is the root cause for all our misery is Pioli. Yes, he's the one that obtained many players, including the elephant in the room, the QBs. He's the one that hired 2 train wrecks for HC. He's the one that is responsible for the toxic enviornment at 1 Arrowhead. Whether that's true or not, those stories have kept a lot of agents and their players away from the Chiefs.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:05 AM   #90
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Athan on 610 this morning: "The Patriots are success because of Bill Belichick and that's it. Of course they haven't won a Super Bowl without Scott Pioli. What's that say? I'm not sure."

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