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Old 12-10-2016, 07:39 PM  
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CIA says Russia interfered in elections to help elect Trump

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The CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the 2016 election specifically to help Donald Trump win the presidency, a U.S. official has confirmed to NPR.

"Before, there was confidence about the fact that Russia interfered," the official says. "But there was low confidence on what the direction and intentionality of the interference was. Now they (the CIA) have come to the conclusion that Russia was trying to tip the election to Trump."
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On Friday evening, the Trump transition team fired back with a statement dismissing the report of the agency's conclusion.

"These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the statement said. "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It's now time to move on and 'Make America Great Again.' "

In fact, Trump's percentage of the electoral vote in the 2016 election ranks 46th among presidential election winners in U.S. history
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:59 AM   #766
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Any foreign country that pulls their ambassadors from our country when there's an election going on here, is exercising influence just with their actions or what they say.
I can't disagree with this because this is the first time I've heard of such a move.

But the people in Kansas, Missouri, North & South Dakota, Iowa, let alone the entire West Coast, couldn't care less when they walk into the voting booth.

No one is thinking of Russia.
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:59 AM   #767
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Depends on if the information is real and accurate. In this case it was. Being all for transparency (as I stated at the time) I think if there is something revealed that someone may find helpful then that's a good thing regardless of the source -- again, provided that it's true.
I disagree with you here. It doesn't depend on whether the info is real and accurate. Absent the wikileaks disclosures, the vote would have been different regardless of the truth or falsehood of the disclosures. Whether Hillary would have won is unknowable though, AFAIC.

I do agree with you that Trump's victory is legit. In my case, I believe it's legit whether the wikileaks disclosures are true or false. If they were false, candidates are expected to deal with lies told about them as a matter of course in our adversarial election system, and if they were true, then it's just a case of better transparency like you say.

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The media coverage of this is more about de-legitimizing Trump then it is getting to the bottom of some nefarious act. That's my opinion and I would wager money it will be proven out once all your investigations are complete. I recognize you have a different opinion and I respect that.
But we don't really have much of a different opinion. You've just been committed to lumping me in with the people you fear/know are seeking to delegitimize Trump. Even when I used ALL CAPS, to tell you I wasn't one of them, I wasn't able to shake that commitment.
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Old 12-15-2016, 01:02 AM   #768
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Old 12-15-2016, 01:05 AM   #769
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Any foreign country that pulls their ambassadors from our country when there's an election going on here, is exercising influence just with their actions or what they say.
Pulling ambassadors vs illegally penetrating private and government computer networks

See if you notice any differences between these two things.
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Old 12-15-2016, 01:10 AM   #770
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I guess I'm naive because if evidence existed that the Russians influenced a Clinton election, I'd feel the same exact way.

For me, it's not about Republican or Democrat or Independent.

It's about America.
I'd feel the same too. I'd think it was a complete waste of time if all the facts were the same. I don't question your POV, I question partisan douchbags like Paul Krugman and Jonathan Alter and their ilk who are using every bit of innuendo they can find to marginalize the winner based only on the fact that it wasn't Hillary. They don't care about electors being threatened or the orchestrated echo chamber to give credibility to the idea that electors should vote for someone other than the winner.

And I totally understand that if the roles were reversed the whack-job Alex Jones on the right would be doing the same thing and I'd laugh at them too.
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Old 12-15-2016, 01:12 AM   #771
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French President François Hollande endorsed Hillary Clinton in a newspaper article published Thursday, likening Republican Donald Trump’s nativist bombast to anti-immigrant movements across Europe.

Hollande said “the best thing the Democrats can do is to get Hillary Clinton elected” in the article, published Thursday in France’s Les Echos newspaper. The socialist president also said electing Trump “would complicate relations between Europe and the U.S." and agreed with the notion that it would be dangerous.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...clinton-224979

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“Would I be proud if Donald Trump became president? No. No,” Sturgeon told ITV’s Peston on Sunday.

“I hope Donald Trump doesn’t become president of the United States and I expect the people of the United States will have the good sense not to elect him,” Scotland’s first minister said.
http://www.politico.eu/article/nicol...-donald-trump/

I don't remember the outrage that must surely have erupted in this country, particularly in the media and in D.C., over those attempts to influence the U.S. election.
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Old 12-15-2016, 01:12 AM   #772
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Old 12-15-2016, 01:27 AM   #773
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What is it that you're refusing to believe happened here? Are you refusing to believe that the Russians were behind the DNC hack? Are you refusing to believe the Russians passed the info to wikileaks to publish it? Or are you refusing to believe that the Russians did it to help Trump win?
The thread title says "CIA says Russian interfered in elections to help elect Trump". So far, this is all based on a story in the Washington Post from an "unnamed anonymous source" and you are treating it like it's gospel. NOBODY has corroborated the main point of the story. That the CIA briefed congress that they believe the Russians hacked the DNC and leaked info to help Trump win the election. You can argue semantics until you're blue in the face. We are 26 pages in on this thread and the CIA has yet to confirm this. Nobody from Congress has confirmed they've been briefed of this or even briefed at all by the CIA for that matter. The head of the intelligence committee is on record saying they weren't briefed by the CIA. I believe the Washington Post pulled this story out of their ass.

I'm refusing to believe all of the quiestions you posed based on this "unnamed source" from the Washington Post. I'm more inclined to believe that it was someone from within the DNC that was pissed over the way Bernie was treated. But I've got the same evidence as you. NONE. Should this be investigated? Of course. It's been being investigated for months. That doesn't change the fact that this story is bullshit.

As Cosmo would say, "thread title is false".

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Old 12-15-2016, 01:40 AM   #774
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He would rather find common cause with ratfink lefties, than admit that this is a political witch hunt driven by avarice
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Old 12-15-2016, 02:25 AM   #775
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I guess I'm naive because if evidence existed that the Russians influenced a Clinton election, I'd feel the same exact way.

For me, it's not about Republican or Democrat or Independent.

It's about America.


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Old 12-15-2016, 02:27 AM   #776
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The results of the election aren't at issue, IMO.

It's the fact that America's enemy may have affected our elections.

Don't we pride ourselves, as Americans, as being Americans?

What does that make us if the most important part of our Republic and Democracy has been affected by our biggest enemy?
Hillary Clinton was my own biggest enemy in this election. Putin may have just been a useful idiot. Though it's much more likely that it was Seth Rich who turned on Clinton.
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Old 12-15-2016, 02:44 AM   #777
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Give me a reason I should not believe Wiikileaks, when they say it wasn't Russia and it wasn't a hack, it was a DNC insider.
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Old 12-15-2016, 02:50 AM   #778
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Why not? After all, it's not as if the U.S. doesn't interfere in the elections of other countries, including those of allies.
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Give me the reason why we SHOULD let them.
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Old 12-15-2016, 07:32 AM   #779
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Old 12-15-2016, 07:47 AM   #780
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What do you think an investigation would be for? It's for figuring out the things we don't know about what happened. Have you not noticed that a lot of people are confused about it? And that we have conspiracy theories forming on both sides to creatively fill in the gaps? You yourself were confused about whether the FBI thought the Russians were involved in the DNC hack just a few hours ago.
I'm not sure we're as confused as some are claiming. And I also don't think the goal on the left is to just figure it out, in fact I'm pretty sure their goal here is to use the not-so-unclear situation to have Hillary put into office.

I think it's clear that right-leaning countries like Russia knew relations with a more honest person would benefit the everybody on the planet, so they figured Trump was the better person/human; that' not tampering.

I'll say again, if there's proof that the Russian government fabricated emails, then we have an issue to deal with, but I've seen nothing solid enough to suggest the level of crying and screaming we're hearing from liberals is justified.

I'm NOT suggesting they don't look into it, but they should approach it less vocally and they need to understand they have to have something more solid than "a Russian IP address" when they present their case to the American public.

And while hacked emails and servers carry the label of "deplorable" for the hacker, that doesn't mean it's inaccurate. And, since this isn't a court of law, it's admissible... So, that means, 1) the information wasn't fabricated, 2) it's often times the hacked person's private position that's different than their public position (which is code for "liar"), and 3) it's the information we all know we want to have before we elect a person. In the case the the Hillary campaign all it did was prove (unless the email was fabricated) that the suspicions of the people who thought she was deplorable, were right.

I'll close with "I was convinced" the moment Hillary knew the public scrutiny of wiping a server that had been subpoenaed was better than handing it over. IMO it's one of the key factors for why she lost the election because it takes a really demented person to think a person who scrubs a server (to the degree she did) wasn't hiding something very VERY incriminating. And I don't think I'm alone in that opinion, I'm just willing to admit it.

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