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But, I also said his protests are also protected by the 1st Amendment. The difference is that kneeling athletes did not purposely cause pain and anguish to the family of fallen soldiers, they kneeled at their own place of work, and they did so silently. Their act of kneeling was in defense of the rights of others. Why would any soldier be offended by that? Saying that Kap, and other athletes are the same as Phelps, is just semantics and playing word games. Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk |
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Yeah, cause that's what I was doing, projecting. If you don't think that racists will point to the statements by Brees to bolster their argument or beliefs, you are just being willfully ignorant of the situation.
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How do you think change happens exactly? Let's take an extreme. The BLM movement protests in silence and no one knows about it. Is that a roadmap to satisfaction? Obviously not. Let's move down the spectrum and say players kneel between the 3rd and 4th quarters of every game. It gets some press brief press coverage, but does anyone really care? Do people notice? No. And then let's go to a scenario where players kneel for the anthem. Suddenly there's discussion and debate. Suddenly there's focus. That absolutely seems like a much more reasonable roadmap to potential satisfaction than just sitting there in silence. I'm not saying it's some foolproof plan and it absolutely might not work, but it inspires discussion. The very fact that the debate there has been hijacked by Kaepernick's stupidity in wearing a Castro shirt or his mediocre ability on the field or his PR stunt a few months ago doesn't diminish the movement that's sprung from it. And I would hope that most of you might agree after the last few weeks that it's a worthy conversation to have, in the least. |
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Football players aren't exactly the smartest people in the world. And some of the smartest people in the world are the dumbest. People are amazing aren't they?
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I've said since the issue first came up, Kaep's activities are productive for attention, but are useless for productive progress. This is because he muddied the message by casting aspersions on the most general, universal and unifying of our national symbols. This is also because he didn't have anything with metrics, except that things that have already happened should not have happened. People largely agree that a lot of these things should not have happened, but no one has a time machine. Further there are thorny and ominous subtexts to the things that get talked about, but never really advocated, around this issue. Do we end law enforcement? Do we end laws? Do we end individual autonomy? HOW do we make sure nothing ever goes wrong again? Is that even possible? How do we improve? Will improvement even be appreciated, particularly if it falls short of perfection. None of this is easy, . . . except turning your back on the national symbols and letting the rest of society do your advocating for you.
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I'm not advocating that, ChiefsFanatic is.
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We can both agree that none of it is easy. Drew Brees is asked how the NFL is going to respond to all of this and the first thing he brings up is his views on kneeling. That seems tone deaf and a view cast in stone. There were more diplomatic answers, and I think he deserves a lot of the blowback he's getting right now. Just wait until Mahomes kneels next year and y'all have to make some imaginary choice in your minds between your golden boy and your country. |
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Because it’s a black person who has every reason - both personally and professionally - to respect Drew Brees responding in an honest, reasoned, and thoughtful way?
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