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12-08-2012, 08:55 PM | |
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Manziel wins Heisman
Surely this is a Q right? I was surprised I didn't see a thread. Te'o second, Klein 3rd. I'm sure it's a Q. Oh well, it's football news... and I don't even follow college football.
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12-08-2012, 10:36 PM | #46 |
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I was actually thinkin about this the other day DJ. There is so many variety ways to win in the NCAA.
Bama pretty much wins by playing Marty ball, same with LSU. Oregon track meets you. |
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"If you're not getting sacks or a QB, you don't count..." That's not how the college game is played. Te'o's ability to be a force against the run while being the best coverage linebacker in the country makes him the most complete defensive player in the nation and absolutely a Heisman worthy player.
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12-08-2012, 10:42 PM | #48 |
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Yeah, Teo absolutely does all those things.
And I still hope like hell we don't do something stupid and take him first overall this year. |
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Meanwhile Murray and co., just kept attacking downfield and were one unlucky deflection/reception away from being in the title game. College football is the only pure football left anymore. If you have Trent Richardson, you ride him to a national championship. If your best player is an inside linebacker, you tell your Frosh QB to protect the ball and you play clock-control to an undefeated season. If you have Barkley and the best WR corps in the nation, you fire that !@#$ing pigskin. And the rules are set up in a manner that will let any of those styles win. It isn't the NFL and the college voters shouldn't treat it as such. They should recognize that, in the NCAA, a middle linebacker like Te'o can absolutely be as critical and integral to a teams success as its quarterback can.
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I am not saying that Klein should or should not have won. You can make a case for either of the QBs that were there tonight. I just want to throw a question out there: does Johnny Football win the award as a freshman if he is in any other conference?
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What he does is huge at that level. And if this were the mid-1970s it would be huge here. But there's no question that his game, while it translates extremely well to the next level, isn't nearly as important as getting your pass rush and your quarterback in place. That's why I've said I'd trade back into the first for him if he started sliding. If we take Geno, and with Houston and Hali in the fold, we have the QB and the pass rush taken care of. So now you address your intermediate coverage, your leadership and firm up your run-stopping by taking Te'o.
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12-08-2012, 10:53 PM | #52 |
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QB, LT, Pass Rushers and monster WR's (if I already have the other 3) are about the only things I'm taking in the top 5.
If somehow Teo were to be available late teens I'd think about trading back up, but I also think there are LB's who can do what he would do at the next level, or atleast adequately do it, later in the draft. |
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I'd rather get Geno/Wilson at 1 and then get Alec Ogletree in round 2. |
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12-08-2012, 11:40 PM | #54 |
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Absolutely...Klein got robbed because KSU will NEVER get the respect they deserve until they can get into the BCS title game. PERIOD.
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I think Te'o is a good player on one of the best college front 7s I can ever remember seeing. I don't think he's a great player and I think the team would excel without him. I don't think he's anywhere close to being a dominant player like, say, Ndamukong Suh, who was what, 4th in Heisman voting that year (now that was a travesty). I think he's ultimately just one of what will be a bunch of NFL players off of that front 7. As I said, I think it's about the greatness of the unit, not the player. This was a weird year, in any case. I'd probably have voted for Marqise Lee. Thought he was hands down the best player I saw this year. Although it's hard to vote against Manziel. Both the yardage and the freshman thing. And I think there's very little doubt just how valuable he was to that team. The award is too much a popularity contest and too much about wins and losses. You see it in this thread, where people are complaining about a quarterback winning because his team lost TWO games. Geno Smith isn't even on the ballot with a 4000-yard, 40 TD, 6 INT season, but his teammate Tavon Austin is? Because Smith's the face of a team that lost five times? (I'm not saying he should have won, just making the point...) Isn't the award supposed to be for the most outstanding player in college football? Or is it the most outstanding player on an team that goes undefeated or loses once in college football? It's like you can't be outstanding if your team loses. There were people a year ago complaining about a 3-loss Baylor QB winning it. I guess it's not about being the best. It's about being on the best team. That's why Smith lost the award (and wasn't even in NYC) once WVU lost. That's why Collin Klein went from front-runner to also ran...with one loss. |
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12-08-2012, 11:53 PM | #56 |
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Klein was robbed. I'll post my reason when I get home.
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I agree with you - there's now too much emphasis on W/L.
In a timely example - Bo Jackson won the Heisman in a year that Auburn lost 4 games and finished something like 5th in their conference. Won't happen again. I also agree that Marqise Lee should've been there. Like I said - I've lost all semblance of give a !@#$ about the Heisman at this point. In fact, I was pretty sure I stopped caring last season when Montee Ball was essentially ignored despite having one of the greatest rushing seasons in NCAA history. Why? Because people didn't think he'd be a great pro. He led the nation in rushing, had a better YPC than Richardson and scored 39 freakin' touchdowns. And he was a complete afterthought. He finished behind a guy he clearly had a better season than primarily because that guy (Richardson) was a better pro prospect. The Heisman is a racket at this point.
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Jarvis Jones was truly the best linebacker in the nation this year and didn't even get consideration. Hell, Anthony Barr from UCLA has a legit argument for best LB as well. Manti Te'o didn't belong anywhere near the Heisman ceremony tonight, let alone actually winning the award.
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The Heisman is an offensive award.
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This. And even more to the point, it changes from year to year, and some times even changes during the season. We always hear about how a certain player needs their team to go undefeated and once they lose they are more or less out of it. Then last year we have, as you pointed out, a winner from a three loss team. This year we hear that Klein has to go undefeated to be able to win. He loses one game (and still finishes the regular season with a conference title, a top 5 team and playing in a BCS bowl). So then a two game loser wins the trophy? There is no consistency in the requirements. It is all about who the media decides they want to win.
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