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Old 12-02-2012, 09:18 PM  
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Go to hell whitlock.
Yes I am a noob here, but after hearing that whitlock just blamed Belcher and his girlfriends death on lack of more restrictive gun laws.
You are a true classless piece of shit, using this incident to push your anti-bill of rights agenda, **** you.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:28 PM   #436
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The Constitution was clearly not designed to change with the times without the ratification of an amendment, unless you also think that other basic rights such as freedom of speech, peaceful assembly, and due process will become passe these days.... and that's not even considering the constitutional limits on our government that are ignored nowadays to our peril as a nation.

Here's an idea: how about you and your fellow gun-grabbers try to get an amendment ratified to repeal the Second Amendment? Something tells me you won't get overwhelming support for that one.
I'm not a gun grabber by any means. I have a fire arm, however, the 2nd amendment didn't give me the right to own it.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:34 PM   #437
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:34 PM   #438
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1. The "population at large" meant white men, not blacks or Indians or anyone else they should be protected against.
Yet it would be intellectually dishonest to leave out that the protections of the Bill of Rights were later functionally extended to everyone through the 14th Amendment.

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2. There was a little under 4 million people in the first US census. 4 million for the whole of America. You think maybe having a gun was slightly more vital back then, when the nearest neighbor was 20 miles away sometimes?

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decenni...s/1790b-02.pdf
Common sense would dictate that as the population increases, so does the number of criminals that one would need to defend themselves against, right?

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3. He still wants them "properly" armed and equipped, and I think that properly arming the population at large means not arming the wrong members of the population.
And it's up to the individual states to set the criteria of who should and shouldn't own a gun. A federal blanket ban on guns would only increase the likelihood of guns ending up in the wrong hands because, like drugs and alcohol before it, a thriving black market would form. Meanwhile, law-abiding gun owners would be punished for the actions of reckless criminals.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:35 PM   #439
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I agree. It should stand. Please tell me where in the 2nd amendment where it mentions an individuals right to possess weapons. The amendment is concerning the militia.
May want to check with the Supreme Court on this one...

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Old 12-03-2012, 05:36 PM   #440
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I'm not a gun grabber by any means. I have a fire arm, however, the 2nd amendment didn't give me the right to own it.
Sorry, but yes it did, according to the US Supreme Court.
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The question should be: have the times changed so much from then that we no longer need firearms? That is what we should be focused on.
I invite you to come visit up here, I'll run you out to an island and we'll see how much the times have changed and how important firearms become to you then.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:38 PM   #442
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Invite me, invite me, invite me. Has to be plenty of Coyotes to hunt up there no?
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May want to check with the Supreme Court on this one...
For now.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:41 PM   #444
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is A Salt Weapon another Tom Cash mult?


just wondering ...
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:42 PM   #445
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I agree. It should stand. Please tell me where in the 2nd amendment where it mentions an individuals right to possess weapons. The amendment is concerning the militia.

It also mentions the people. Why does everyone keep wanting to leave that out?

In fact, it states that it is the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It does not say that in regards to the militia. If we are going to parse words, let's parse 'em.

Sap brings up an interesting point that I do not totally disagree with. The SA was put in place partly for the state's security against the fed. However, if you take into consideration the fact that the Founders viewed government in general as a necessary evil, and their concern of having a standing army during peace time, it is fairly clear to me that the SA was also intended for the people to protect themselves from state as well as federal governments. Not to mention security from criminal elements that can also have a negative impact on the security of society.

This is not difficult. The Founders did not trust government in the least. They also understood human nature and knew that they could not trust individuals either. Just as the three branches of government are designed to create checks and balances on the other, the states and fed are to be a check and balance to one another and the people and government are to be a check and balance to one another. No one group was intended to have too much power.

The SA is VERY much directed towards the populace as it is towards the states as well.
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I dnt think so. I never see cash post in the gun thread. I see ASW post in it all the time. I think Cash is still over in the sand box.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:53 PM   #447
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Not the first time someone here has accused me of being a mult, I have offered up substantial proof that I am me, feel free to go find it.

I am just a gun-toting, liberal-hating, Alaskan Chiefs fan.
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For now.
And for the foreseeable future. No anti-gun Justice is getting confirmed to replace a pro-gun Justice any time soon.

Other than the waste of space that is Ginsburg, I don't see any of the current Justices leaving in the next 4 years.

More importantly, the American public agree...

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It also mentions the people. Why does everyone keep wanting to leave that out?

In fact, it states that it is the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It does not say that in regards to the militia. If we are going to parse words, let's parse 'em.

Sap brings up an interesting point that I do not totally disagree with. The SA was put in place partly for the state's security against the fed. However, if you take into consideration the fact that the Founders viewed government in general as a necessary evil, and their concern of having a standing army during peace time, it is fairly clear to me that the SA was also intended for the people to protect themselves from state as well as federal governments. Not to mention security from criminal elements that can also have a negative impact on the security of society.

This is not difficult. The Founders did not trust government in the least. They also understood human nature and knew that they could not trust individuals either. Just as the three branches of government are designed to create checks and balances on the other, the states and fed are to be a check and balance to one another and the people and government are to be a check and balance to one another. No one group was intended to have too much power.

The SA is VERY much directed towards the populace as it is towards the states as well.
Yeah, I think that's probably the brilliance of the Constitution. Specific where it needs to be, but vague enough in other places so that these topics will always be debatable. As long as they are debated, we are going to whittle away until we have the best possible version of the law for our place and time.

I think it's vital that we continue to argue about gun laws, gun safety, as well as all of the other topics we argue about. It keeps the constitution alive and healthy, like a well-pruned tree.

By the way, PLEASE everyone... I am not advocating a gun ban. I have tried several times to explicitly say that - not a ban on owning guns. I just want it to be more of a pain in the ass to buy them, and while that may suck for you, I don't think it's unconstitutional in any way and is, in my humble opinion, a healthy and necessary speed bump.

That and you can't BUY an assault rifle unless you're in the armed forces or law enforcement. (You can still keep and bear one if you're a regular Joe Schmoe.)
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I am just a gun-toting, liberal-hating, Alaskan Chiefs fan.
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Considering Alaska receives more Federal money than ANY OTHER STATE, you are welcome to kiss my liberal California ass.
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