Chiefs Challenging Pass Interference - Page 3

BigCatDaddy · 10-13-2019, 05:28 PM

If they won't overturn the missed PI on Kelce isn't it time to just remove the option of challenging it? They won't over turn even obvious ones at this point. FTR I was never for allowing teams to challenge PI anyways.

**BigRedChief** · 10-14-2019, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

It seems very unlikely to me that this is refs acting out on their own in defiance of the league.

It's a "judgement" call on many occasions. The results speak for themselves.

patteeu · 10-14-2019, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It's a "judgement" call on many occasions. The results speak for themselves.

They may be speaking but they’re not talking about the conspiracy theory you’re chasing.

Hoover · 10-14-2019, 07:56 AM

Its pretty clear that the Refs hate this new rule that allows a team to challenge a PI call - so what do they do, they uphold every call unless its just horrible.

I'd never challenge a non-called PI play. Never. It was a mistake yesterday when Reid tried.

patteeu · 10-14-2019, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

Its pretty clear that the Refs hate this new rule that allows a team to challenge a PI call - so what do they do, they uphold every call unless its just horrible.

I'd never challenge a non-called PI play. Never. It was a mistake yesterday when Reid tried.

Perfectly clear.

**dirk digler** · 10-14-2019, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Saw many articles and video clips over the last couple of weeks saying the refs are pissed and didn't want the pass interference challenge. They need to get over it and call it like they do all the other plays.

Al Riveron is the one making the decision and it has been pretty clear now for a few weeks unless it such a grievous mistake as the Saints-Rams non PI they aren't going to reverse the call. So expect this is to only be reversed during the playoffs moving forward.

**BigRedChief** · 10-14-2019, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

They may be speaking but they’re not talking about the conspiracy theory you’re chasing.

You need to get out of DC more often, not everything is a conspiracy theory.

My point is that's its a judgement call. They are not calling these penalty's like other coach challenges. Their "judgement" is not the same as the other coach challenges. Their personal feelings on how to enforce the rule is clouding their judgement. Not that the got together is smoky hotel bar and said **** this rule.

rabblerouser · 10-14-2019, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You need to get out of DC more often, not everything is a conspiracy theory.

It's no longer a theory, the conspiracy is real

patteeu · 10-14-2019, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You need to get out of DC more often, not everything is a conspiracy theory.

My point is that's its a judgement call. They are not calling these penalty's like other coach challenges. Their "judgement" is not the same as the other coach challenges. Their personal feelings on how to enforce the rule is clouding their judgement. Not that the got together is smoky hotel bar and said **** this rule.

This isn't a case of a bunch of individual refs either independently or as a grass roots collective applying their judgment and somehow coming to radically different conclusions than everyone watching the replay at home. This is a top down directive.

**DaFace** · 10-14-2019, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

This isn't a case of a bunch of individual refs either independently or as a grass roots collective applying their judgment and somehow coming to radically different conclusions than everyone watching the replay at home. This is a top down directive.

... from the head of officiating, which is his point.

**dirk digler** · 10-14-2019, 08:30 AM

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-chiefs-call/

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Something fishy happened in that Texans-Chiefs call

There was no pool report, no video from Al Riveron. And there likely will be no public admission regarding the conversation(s) that resulted in a key defensive pass interference foul being wiped out in the Texans-Chiefs game.

But something fishy happened, as evidenced by the images broadcast by CBS.

It occurred with the Chiefs leading 17-9 in the second quarter, and driving for more with a first down on the Houson 32. Quarterback Patrick Mahomes fired a deep ball to the end zone, and it was intercepted by Texans defensive back Tashaun Gipson.

Referee Shawn Hochuli initially informed the fans in the stadium and the TV audience that Texans defensive back Lonnie Johnson Jr. had committed defensive pass interference on Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce, with the video showing Johnson grabbing Kelce and driving him into the ground. Then, as the teams were lined up for the next play at the spot of the infraction (the Houston 23), Hochuli and two other officials huddled. During the conversation, one of the other officials clearly can be seen pressing his finger against his ear, it what most likely was an attempt to better hear whatever someone was saying to him.

PFT has learned that replay review definitely was not involved in this decision. This means that no one should have been talking to any of the officials regarding whether or not the call for pass interference should have been changed, or whether some other penalty should have been called.

After the consultation, Hochuli announced “the contact that was potentially a hold was while the ball was in the air; it is not pass interference, because it was not on the receiver that caught the ball.” While a little clunky on the back end, the point was that the officials concluded, apparently with input from either the replay official or 345 Park Avenue, that the blatant hold on Kelce happened while the ball was in the air, and that Kelce wasn’t the intended receiver — making the ball uncatchable as to him and thus resulting in no interference.

But the contact on Kelce seems to have clearly commenced and continued before Mahomes threw the ball. Thus, if there was going to be any type of consultation (even if technically unauthorized by the procedures for helping the officials on the field), someone should have told the officials that Johnson committed defensive holding on Kelce, with the interception nullified and possession given to the Chiefs, first and 10 from the Houston 27.

The league declined comment on this play; a source with knowledge of the situation informed PFT that it’s ultimately a judgment call for the officials on the field. The problem is that it looks like someone else’s judgment was involved — and that the judgment was erroneously exercised.

Ultimately, it was a key moment in the game. Tony Dungy called it the turning point on Sunday’s Football Night in America. Houston, with the ensuing touchback, drove the ball the length of the field and scored a touchdown, making the score 17-16 when it could have been 24-9, if the Chiefs had scored a touchdown after rightfully keeping possession.

The Chiefs are upset, as they should be. And the league should be more transparent when mistakes like this happen. Ultimately, that’s the best way to keep mistakes like this from happening again — and to keep fans from thinking that the simplest explanation is that someone, somewhere wanted the Texans to win the game.

patteeu · 10-14-2019, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

... from the head of officiating, which is his point.

His point was that this is a defiant reaction to a rule change they didn't like. I think that's hogwash.

Mecca · 10-14-2019, 08:46 AM

This is video of the official listening extra close to someone talking to him in his ear, and then the call being reversed to a Mahomes interception. pic.twitter.com/2lvsCQYQAX
— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) October 14, 2019

Yea the NFL is totally on the up and up.

**DaFace** · 10-14-2019, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

His point was that this is a defiant reaction to a rule change they didn't like. I think that's hogwash.

You don't think it's possible that the head of officiating is upset about a rule that is designed to take away the power of the officials?

patteeu · 10-14-2019, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

You don't think it's possible that the head of officiating is upset about a rule that is designed to take away the power of the officials?

Everything is possible, but I don't think it's likely that the head of officials has gone rogue and is acting out against the league to show his displeasure.

Mecca · 10-14-2019, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Everything is possible, but I don't think it's likely that the head of officials has gone rogue and is acting out against the league to show his displeasure.

Dude they didn't call Kelce for OPI on a review when they easily could have so instead......he got OPI in the NEXT PLAY when he didn't touch anyone.

What does that tell you?

10-13-2019, 05:28 PM
BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $569122	Challenging Pass Interference If they won't overturn the missed PI on Kelce isn't it time to just remove the option of challenging it? They won't over turn even obvious ones at this point. FTR I was never for allowing teams to challenge PI anyways.
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10-14-2019, 07:56 AM	#33
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $218179	Its pretty clear that the Refs hate this new rule that allows a team to challenge a PI call - so what do they do, they uphold every call unless its just horrible. I'd never challenge a non-called PI play. Never. It was a mistake yesterday when Reid tried.
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10-14-2019, 08:46 AM	#42
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $1227050	This is video of the official listening extra close to someone talking to him in his ear, and then the call being reversed to a Mahomes interception. pic.twitter.com/2lvsCQYQAX — Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) October 14, 2019 Yea the NFL is totally on the up and up.
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