How similiar of QBs are Alex Smith and Russell Wilson?

[Deberg_1990]

Since everyone here loves Wilson so much.....

Admittedly Russell throws a better deep ball, but IMO they are fairly similar. Not flashy, don't throw for a ton of yards, use their feet to move the chains, protect the football and play smart.


Discuss....


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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RunKC

You're right.

Alex Smith: 39-19 record last 4 years

They play the same role really...game managers on elite caliber teams. Wilson can throw it downfield better. That's really the only big difference.

Russell Wilson consistently closes games. Alex Smith does not. Russell Wilson consistently converts on third down. Alex Smith does not (I think 33% last year which is atrocious, and something like 30% this year during the Chiefs' skid at the end of the season).

Alex Smith in 113 games has 16 game winning drives
Russell Wilson in HALF THE GAMES (55 games) has 15 game winning drives

Good game managers convert third downs and close games. Alex Smith doesn't do either of those things. So I really hate that people throw the game manager label on him.

[DTLB58]

One major difference between Smith and Wilson is that Smith never would have thrown the ball Wilson did to win that game in OT because in Smith's eyes that WR was covered.

All the talking heads always say how Smith won't lose you the game because he won't commit turnovers, but he won't win it for you either, like Wilson did yesterday cause he won't take ANY chances whatsoever!

As an NFL QB you have to throw into tight spaces. It's the difference between college and pro.

Also, Smith didn't keep his eyes downfield when the rush came around him this year.

And Smith lead the worst 2 minutes offense I've ever seen this season. Just gawd awful. I will put some of that at the feet of the coaches however because it looked so disorganized.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Russell Wilson consistently closes games. Alex Smith does not. Russell Wilson consistently converts on third down. Alex Smith does not (I think 33% last year which is atrocious, and something like 30% this year during the Chiefs' skid at the end of the season).

Alex Smith in 113 games has 16 game winning drives
Russell Wilson in HALF THE GAMES (55 games) has 15 game winning drives

Good game managers convert third downs and close games. Alex Smith doesn't do either of those things. So I really hate that people throw the game manager label on him.

Wilson was not been good at converting on 3rd down this year. Even adding his 50% rate when he scrambles on 3rd.
Because his pass rate was sup par

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Wilson is such a phony douche. Saying they had "no doubt" and spewing all that dumb, regurgitated coach speak. You'll never get a real word out of this dude.

[Ragged Robin]

Their game is REMOTELY similar, Wilson is obviously way more dynamic in terms of being able to run and create plays and also has the killer instinct to take a shot and go for the throat. Outside of that, they don't really do a whole lot in the passing game and he's not going to put up epic passing yards and TDs since they heavily lean on the run. They also don't have a true #1 receiver (sound familiar?) so they're kind of gimped in the passing game to begin with. Let's not forget their championship calibre defense which only allowed 22 points to the best QB in the league after their team turned it over FIVE times (x4 offense x1 ST)..

[Beef Supreme]

Wilson has better pocket awareness, throws MUCH better on the run and throws a better deep ball.

Obviously he looked like shit most of the game yesterday. But that isn't typical.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Wilson was not been good at converting on 3rd down this year. Even adding his 50% rate when he scrambles on 3rd.
Because his pass rate was sup par

Yes, and Alex has mostly sucked at it his WHOLE CAREER.

So let's wait and see if Wilson gets back to his championship season form. He also just about led the NFL in YPA that year. Something Alex knows nothing about.

Basically Alex is a poverty version of Russell Wilson.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by Numbah One

Yes, and Alex has mostly sucked at it his WHOLE CAREER.

So let's wait and see if Wilson gets back to his championship season form. He also just about led the NFL in YPA that year. Something Alex knows nothing about.

Basically Alex is a poverty version of Russell Wilson.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Wilson was not been good at converting on 3rd down this year. Even adding his 50% rate when he scrambles on 3rd.
Because his pass rate was sup par

I haven't paid any attention to his #'s this season. That may be right.

What I know is that Russell Wilson went 8-8 last week against Carolina on third downs, and 60% in last year's Super Bowl. What I know is that he finished at 43% his rookie year and 36.4% in 2014, which is just below the 38% norm.
What I also know is Alex Smith's % last year was 34% against a really easy schedule. And that in the final stretch of this season, the team went 18-64 (28%) -- I don't know what Smith's % is in that, but I know it's not good.

The Chiefs' horrible third down efficiency led to a 1-4 record in the final stretch. The Chiefs' inability to close games led to a failed final 4th quarter offensive drive in 4 of the 7 losses. Wilson has obviously closed more games than Smith by a mile... maybe you're right about Wilson on third downs, but it doesn't defend Smith's horrible performance to close the season on third downs.

[ViperVisor]

Cherry picking a bit too much there.

Can't say 1 thing led to loses other than maybe throwing a string of pick 6s.

The bad stretch of 3rd down and redzone conversion was part of the reason.
Jamaal only racking up about 60 yards on the ground on avg
Getting steamrolled on the ground on the other side of the ball
Defense avoiding turnover chances like the plague
Badly timed turnovers
and a ref call or 2 not going your way

It added up to loses that kept the team out of the playoffs.

[BigCatDaddy]

I doubt there will be 10 years worth of" can Russell Wilson be fixed" threads.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Cherry picking a bit too much there.

Can't say 1 thing led to loses other than maybe throwing a string of pick 6s.

The bad stretch of 3rd down and redzone conversion was part of the reason.
Jamaal only racking up about 60 yards on the ground on avg
Getting steamrolled on the ground on the other side of the ball
Defense avoiding turnover chances like the plague
Badly timed turnovers
and a ref call or 2 not going your way

It added up to loses that kept the team out of the playoffs.

The single biggest difference by a mile between the 7-3 Chiefs and the 1-4 Chiefs was QB play. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.

We had a defense that even with their shortcomings played like a top tier defense. We have elite RBs crippled by a passing game that doesn't open up the box. Third down conversion is a standard measuring stick for a game management QB and Smith was beyond terrible. We lost 4 of our 7 games when we had a chance on the final offensive drive to tie or go-ahead.

How in the world is calling out third down conversions and game-winning drives "cherry picking"? I've been mentioning it all season long and even complimented Smith consistently in the middle of the season when he was... y'know... actually doing those things.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Cherry picking a bit too much there.



Can't say 1 thing led to loses other than maybe throwing a string of pick 6s.



The bad stretch of 3rd down and redzone conversion was part of the reason.

Jamaal only racking up about 60 yards on the ground on avg
Getting steamrolled on the ground on the other side of the ball

Defense avoiding turnover chances like the plague

Badly timed turnovers

and a ref call or 2 not going your way



It added up to loses that kept the team out of the playoffs.

Hey, please be a little more dishonest next time.

We averaged 120 rushing YPG and actually had a top 5 rushing attack for much of the season.

[Simply Red]

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The single biggest difference by a mile between the 7-3 Chiefs and the 1-4 Chiefs was QB play. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.

We had a defense that even with their shortcomings played like a top tier defense. We have elite RBs crippled by a passing game that doesn't open up the box. Third down conversion is a standard measuring stick for a game management QB and Smith was beyond terrible. We lost 4 of our 7 games when we had a chance on the final offensive drive to tie or go-ahead.

How in the world is calling out third down conversions and game-winning drives "cherry picking"? I've been mentioning it all season long and even complimented Smith consistently in the middle of the season when he was... y'know... actually doing those things.

It's cherry picking because you cherry picked a portion of the season.
If that is a new argument of what happened over that span it is fair.

What is not fair is We had a defense that even with their shortcomings played like a top tier defense. We have elite RBs crippled by a passing game that doesn't open up the box.
That is more make believe than reality.

And if third down conversions and game-winning drives is your focus the defense pooped themselves @ OAK and vs. DEN in back to back weeks. And @ PIT they were 5/10 on 3rd downs.

QB play is almost always the single biggest factor but the extreme hyper focus on Smith's failures in Nov. and Dec. is crazy but typical for this board.