Pats Cheating Comfirmed

[PizzaDoughz]

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I'm not saying it happened, but different prep conditions could easily account for that. I'd guess that's been brought up about a billion times on this thread. Hasn't it?

The balls for both teams had already been checked by the refs and were all within specs.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

Oh, we're back to the "prep conditions" angle now? I do have to admit it's hard to keep track of all the different deflections you and Asterix keep throwing around.

I'm not deflecting anything. I'm rebutting your claim. This isn't about something flying over people's heads. It's about you ignoring some information.

Originally Posted by splatbass

The balls for both teams had already been checked by the refs and were all within specs.

That means pretty much nothing.



And now, it's back in circles again.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Joe Seahawk

Belloicheck says the way they rub their balls make them harder and they go soft a bit later. Why would he say that?😃

Because he's never as a coordinator or HC had any occasion whatsoever to give so much as passing thought to the condition of game balls.

Bill Belibabeinthewoods.

[Dylan]

On Tuesday, they are going to face even tougher questions, leading to more subjects that are controversial from the largest global media gathering of the week.

Patriots fans should spend their time writing to the Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee and start arguing their case instead of posting on a football forum. Just saying...

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

That means pretty much nothing.

It means EVERYTHING. It means both teams balls were "prepped" as you put it the same before the refs checked them, but afterward one team's balls suddenly became different.

It is PATHETIC how you guys are rationalizing cheating.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That is post hoc rationalization.

If we're going to judge DELIBERATE rule breaking on the basis of whether it made a difference after all, just get rid of the rules altogether.

Proof exists that it didn't benefit the Patriots because they scored less points in the first half with an under-inflated ball than they did in the second half with a ball inflated to 12.5 psi.

So, there are two issues at hand:

1. Did the under-inflated ball provide a competitive advantage? From looking the score, the answer would be "No".

2. Were the balls deliberately under-inflated and by whom?

Personally, I don't really care. The Patriots are clearly the better team and would have beat them 10 times out of 10. But if it can be proven (which is unlikely) that the Patriots deliberately under-inflated the balls because they believed it gave them a competitive advantage, then I would expect penalties from the NFL front office.

Either way, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the AFC Championship game and thus, the Super Bowl participants.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

Oh, we're back to the "prep conditions" angle now? I do have to admit it's hard to keep track of all the different deflections you and Asterix keep throwing around.

To be fair, when their beloved coach and quarterback keep contradicting themselves, it must be hard for the homers to keep their spin straight.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Either way, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the AFC Championship game and thus, the Super Bowl participants.

Nope.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

Oh, we're back to the "prep conditions" angle now? I do have to admit it's hard to keep track of all the different deflections you and Asterix keep throwing around.

Lmao

We should change Amnorix to Asterisk , that's awesome

[Fairplay]

On the radio they said that someone had the footballs in the bathroom for about 90 seconds. I'd say that's where the shenanigans took place.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by splatbass

It means EVERYTHING. It means both teams balls were "prepped" as you put it the same before the refs checked them, but afterward one team's balls suddenly became different.

It is PATHETIC how you guys are rationalizing cheating.

It means pretty much nothing, and I'm not rationalizing anything.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Proof exists that it didn't benefit the Patriots because they scored less points in the first half with an under-inflated ball than they did in the second half with a ball inflated to 12.5 psi.

So, there are two issues at hand:

1. Did the under-inflated ball provide a competitive advantage? From looking the score, the answer would be "No".

2. Were the balls deliberately under-inflated and by whom?

Personally, I don't really care. The Patriots are clearly the better team and would have beat them 10 times out of 10. But if it can be proven (which is unlikely) that the Patriots deliberately under-inflated the balls because they believed it gave them a competitive advantage, then I would expect penalties from the NFL front office.

Either way, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the AFC Championship game and thus, the Super Bowl participants.

Cheating is wrong even if it gives you no advantage. This is simple ethics that anyone should be able to understand. You are a smart guy, I am amazed you don't understand that.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Proof exists that it didn't benefit the Patriots because they scored less points in the first half with an under-inflated ball than they did in the second half with a ball inflated to 12.5 psi.

So, there are two issues at hand:

1. Did the under-inflated ball provide a competitive advantage? From looking the score, the answer would be "No".

2. Were the balls deliberately under-inflated and by whom?

Personally, I don't really care. The Patriots are clearly the better team and would have beat them 10 times out of 10. But if it can be proven (which is unlikely) that the Patriots deliberately under-inflated the balls because they believed it gave them a competitive advantage, then I would expect penalties from the NFL front office.

Either way, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the AFC Championship game and thus, the Super Bowl participants.

I agree that #2 is the crucial question, but if it's answered in the affirmative I guess I differ in that the greater the advantage you already have the more egregious deliberate cheating becomes.

Mentioned above was a hypothetical of a pocketed cheat sheet in a test situation. This to me, is more like having the answers and methodological steps on a cheat sheet, not using it and working out all the problems, then referring to the cheat sheet at the end to verify that you got everything right.

You demonstrated [to yourself] that you can do the work, but you were craven in seeking that additional advantage of verification. That verification may be minor in the grand scheme of things, but it's crucial to the sanctity of the testing process.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It means pretty much nothing, and I'm not rationalizing anything.

I love the Chiefs, but I would NEVER justify or downplay this kind of cheating if they did it. It is sad and pathetic that you do it for your team. Have some ****ing integrity.

[Fairplay]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

How many seconds would it take to get the right bag and unzip it and fish 12 balls out?

How many seconds to get the psi gauge/ pump/ deflator out?

How many seconds would it take to lower ONE ball by 1.8 psi?

How many seconds to put the balls back in, zip up, and open the door?

I was being WAY generous by saying 7 seconds per Ball

This sounds impossible...

Dude I got a story that will blow your mind that we're suppose to believe.

It's about a president that was shot in Dallas.