Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 11

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

In58men · 11-21-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

How many years of experience does Smith have?

**The Franchise** · 11-21-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

How many years of experience does Smith have?

Only the real stat matters.

Smith - L
Winston - W

dls6501 · 11-21-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

Not sure why you keep posting this. Using these specific QB measures, Alex had a slightly better day than Jameis.

But hey, lets not look at the record column....you know, the stat you have been preaching is the only important thing.

And also, lets not look at the defense each QB was playing.

Sandy Vagina · 11-21-2016, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

How many years of experience does Smith have?

It's irrelevant, if discussing current QBs. This isn't about career trajectory.. which even much younger in age, can fall off a cliff.

**Bowser** · 11-21-2016, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Because we don't want to live in the same level of miserableness as yours?

Makes sense.

Just because I don't suffer from delusions of Alex Smith grandeur doesn't mean I'm miserable. I know what he is and react accordingly. When he plays above his limitations I'm pleasantly surprised, and when he doesn't, like yesterday against the shit awful Bucs, I don't dive into excuse mode for him.

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

Yeah, all those amazing advanced metrics and he still can't mount a comeback win against a 4 win team, so who gives a ****.

This shit you're selling is Dick Vermeil logic - "Yeah, their running back had 172 yards rushing against us, but if you take out the 79 yarder and the 48 yarder, and we did a pretty good job against him!"

kcchiefsus · 11-21-2016, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by smasher

This team's problems:

50% Andy Reid
25% Alex Smith's regression
25% Injuries

Regression? He was never that good to begin with.

OctoberFart · 11-21-2016, 10:52 AM

You guys and your freaking stats. Smith is an average QB who is never going to carry the team on his back and fail if he is the focal point. Why is it so hard to see for you guys? He sucks and you are not winning anything as long as he is your QB.

kcchiefsus · 11-21-2016, 10:52 AM

Smith is averaging 1 touchdown a game. That is ****ing pathetic.

**fan4ever** · 11-21-2016, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Yeah, you're right. Call Dorsey and tell him to draft a QB tonight. Fixed!

I'd like to call Hunt and tell him to take charge and get an offensive coordinator not to mention clock manager in there to help walrus boy do a better job. That would make a much bigger difference than changing personnel. Your "off season" solution is a sad old song to those of us who've followed this team for decades...

kcchiefsus · 11-21-2016, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OctoberFart

You guys and your freaking stats. Smith is an average QB who is never going to carry the team on his back and fail if he is the focal point. Why is it so hard to see for you guys? He sucks and you are not winning anything as long as he is your QB.

Most people don't have a problem seeing that besides this reerun Tigeruppercut.

Beef Supreme · 11-21-2016, 10:54 AM

Let's start another thread where everyone can rehash the same arguments.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-21-2016, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever

I'd like to call Hunt and tell him to take charge and get an offensive coordinator not to mention clock manager in there to help walrus boy do a better job. That would make a much bigger difference than changing personnel. Your "off season" solution is a sad old song to those of us who've followed this team for decades...

You might be right, they may not change a thing, and they might...

But I'm not losing sleep over it cause its out of my hands.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Most people don't have a problem seeing that besides this reerun Tigeruppercut.

Most people, including you, gave up on this team last year at 1-5.

Stick to your video games sweetheart. The overuse of reerun in your handful of posts over the last day has gotten very old.

In58men · 11-21-2016, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

It's irrelevant, if discussing current QBs. This isn't about career trajectory.. which even much younger in age, can fall off a cliff.

Only an Alex Smith fan would says it's irrelevant.

Lex Luthor · 11-21-2016, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Please send your complaints to PFF, ESPN, and the inventor of the QB rating.

I've always liked Alex Smith, but I'm going to have to side with the Smith critics on this one. Smith may not have been THE problem, but he sure as hell had a chance to be part of the solution, and he blew it with the pick in the end zone.

This goes back to the argument people make about Smith not being able to step up and carry the team in crucial situations. He failed at that yesterday.

11-21-2016, 09:33 AM
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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11-21-2016, 10:52 AM	#157
OctoberFart Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10006091	You guys and your freaking stats. Smith is an average QB who is never going to carry the team on his back and fail if he is the focal point. Why is it so hard to see for you guys? He sucks and you are not winning anything as long as he is your QB.
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11-21-2016, 10:52 AM	#158
kcchiefsus Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nowhere Casino cash: $10017949	Smith is averaging 1 touchdown a game. That is ****ing pathetic.
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11-21-2016, 10:54 AM	#161
Beef Supreme MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $10019560	Let's start another thread where everyone can rehash the same arguments.
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