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Old 04-21-2013, 09:49 PM  
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ACLU to Kansas school district: Cancel creationist assemblies about Dinosaurs

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The American Civil Liberties Union has warned a southwest Kansas school district against holding mandatory student assemblies that feature a creationist group.

“Teaching or otherwise promoting creationism is, simply put, unlawful,” the ACLU wrote in a letter to Hugoton Public Schools superintendent Mark Crawford on Friday. “As the District is surely aware, the federal courts have been unequivocally clear that efforts to inject religious beliefs regarding the origin of life into public school science curricula are constitutionally impermissible, no matter what form they take.”

Hugoton Public Schools invited Creation Truth Foundation’s founder Dr. G. Thomas Sharp to teach the “Truth about Dinosaurs” at two assemblies next week. At least one of the assemblies will be mandatory for all students and teachers.

The group has created teaching materials “explaining the origins, extinction and possible existence of dinosaurs” from a Biblical view and believes the dinosaur Tyrannosaurus rex walked the Earth as early as 100,000 years ago rather more than 65 million years ago. In a lecture uploaded to YouTube last year, Sharp criticized scientists for ignoring the great flood of the Bible.

“We respectfully request the District take immediate and concrete steps to remedy these problems,” the ACLU concluded. “The first step would be to cancel the planned mandatory school assemblies now set for next week.”

However, superintendent Crawford has said he will not call off the assemblies. He told The Kansas City Star the assemblies will not promote creationism, despite the beliefs and mission of the Creation Truth Foundation.

“I agree with the ACLU, in that, if a mandatory all-school assembly where creationist truths or creationist beliefs were expressed, that would be inappropriate public-school content, and that is not the case,” Crawford said. “It’s completely and totally school appropriate.”
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:23 PM   #121
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:33 PM   #122
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I carbon dated his last post and it ends up being billions and billions of years ago.
Actually it was three days ago. I just came back. What did I miss?
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:05 AM   #123
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Not much just having some fun with these peeps!
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:12 AM   #124
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I see the difference generally speaking. I do not see it in this specific issue. There are plenty of holes in the evolution theory. Yet it is clung to as dogmatically as Christians cling to creationism, if not more so. At least Christians admit that there is faith involved. Evolutionists keep trying to claim scientific fact with said holes still evident.

When you can offer me 100% undeniable proof then we will have something to discuss. Until then, it takes just as much faith for me to believe in evolution as it does for me to believe in intelligent design.
I'll make a deal with you: When you can offer me 1/10th of 1% undeniable proof regarding the story of Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel, then we'll have something to discuss. Until then, you've got nothing.

Nobody clings to evolution dogmatically. It's a shame you don't understand the scientific method. I'd have hoped that the history of how the Piltdown Man Hoax was doubted and eventually completely debunked BY SCIENTISTS would have helped you to understand that. But clearly it doesn't.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:40 AM   #125
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Wait a minute, I keep being told this scientific FACT. So now which is it? Fact, or theory?


Once again you demonstrate your appalling lack of knowledge regarding science. How the hell are we supposed to take you seriously?

Stephen Jay Gould summed it up very nicely several decades ago:

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http://www.stephenjaygould.org/libra...nd-theory.html

You said you would consider evolution only if I could offer you 100% undeniable proof that it occurs. I said I would consider the Biblical story of creationism if you could offer me 1/10th of 1% undeniable proof that it occurs.

Which of us is being open-minded here, and which of us is clinging fiercely to a dogmatic belief? Which of us is willing to consider the other's position with nothing to gain or lose by doing so, and which of us has been told repeatedly his entire life that his FAITH is the only thing preventing him from being tortured unmercifully and eternally by Satan?

Deeply religious people have a vested interest in keeping the faith, regardless of whether their religion is Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Wicca, or the worship of the ancient gods like Zeus and Hercules. Scientists have no vested interest in believing anything simply because some authority figure told them they must believe or they will perish. Scientists simply observe and then try to understand and explain.

And by the way, scientists are the ones who cured polio, cured many forms of cancer, developed antibiotics, discovered electricity, designed automobiles and airplanes, and got mankind out of the caves. Scientists have made our civilization possible. Without scientists, we would still be cavemen.

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Old 04-23-2013, 08:36 AM   #126
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Wait a minute, I keep being told this scientific FACT. So now which is it? Fact, or theory?


It never fails...

It's ironic, considering that you've never heard a conspiracy theory that you don't believe. What's the most recent one you've latched on to? The US government is poised to imprison all its citizens? Isn't that right? I think you've already made it clear that your interpretation of the truth is a little bit flawed.....
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:41 AM   #127
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It never fails...

It's ironic, considering that you've never heard a conspiracy theory that you don't believe. What's the most recent one you've latched on to? The US government is poised to imprison all its citizens? Isn't that right? I think you've already made it clear that your interpretation of the truth is a little bit flawed.....
Same old responses, almost robotic. You're a conspiracy Theorist if you don't worship at the same altar as I do!
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:52 AM   #128
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:53 AM   #129
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Same old responses, almost robotic. You're a conspiracy Theorist if you don't worship at the same altar as I do!
I don't think he was calling Raiderhader a conspiracy theorist because he's a creationist. He was calling him a conspiracy theorist because he makes numerous posts on this forum defending all sorts of conspiracy theories.

You know, kind of like how you do.

Wait a minute, I'm beginning to see a pattern here: those who don't understand science (a) believe all of the wacky conspiracy theories, and (b) believe that every word in the book of Genesis is literally true.

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Old 04-23-2013, 08:55 AM   #130
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Same old responses, almost robotic. You're a conspiracy Theorist if you don't worship at the same altar as I do!
No, he's a conspiracy theorist for believing any and every conspiracy theory presented on this forum. I don't encourage anybody to worship at any alter. I encourage the opposite.

I know you feel threatened by independent thought that doesn't align with your religious beliefs, but that doesn't mean that any topic you feel threatened by is considered an alternative or competitor to your religion. You sound really ignorant when you keep insisting that.
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Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered.

A theory is never a Fact. A theory is a conclusion based on a series of facts. If it were a fact it would never be called a theory.

You all are having a nice pissing match but the absolutes thrown around in here are amazing.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:44 AM   #133
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Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered.

A theory is never a Fact. A theory is a conclusion based on a series of facts. If it were a fact it would never be called a theory.

You all are having a nice pissing match but the absolutes thrown around in here are amazing.
To me a fact is a conclusion that has been proven over and over. Gravity is a theory and a fact. There IS gravity, its just not fully understood. The same can be said for evolution.
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Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered.

A theory is never a Fact. A theory is a conclusion based on a series of facts. If it were a fact it would never be called a theory.

You all are having a nice pissing match but the absolutes thrown around in here are amazing.
1. Reading comprehension fail.
2. See #1.
3. Is gravity a fact?
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:17 PM   #135
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I doubt that exacts all the costs, but ask yourself this. What is the NUMBER 1 source of all our problems? Exponential Population growth. Our generations will see the population of this planet exceed the resources here to sustain us. Think about it.

So do we still want to feed everyone?

For the good of the whole?

Probably not.
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