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Old 04-21-2013, 08:49 PM  
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ACLU to Kansas school district: Cancel creationist assemblies about Dinosaurs

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The American Civil Liberties Union has warned a southwest Kansas school district against holding mandatory student assemblies that feature a creationist group.

“Teaching or otherwise promoting creationism is, simply put, unlawful,” the ACLU wrote in a letter to Hugoton Public Schools superintendent Mark Crawford on Friday. “As the District is surely aware, the federal courts have been unequivocally clear that efforts to inject religious beliefs regarding the origin of life into public school science curricula are constitutionally impermissible, no matter what form they take.”

Hugoton Public Schools invited Creation Truth Foundation’s founder Dr. G. Thomas Sharp to teach the “Truth about Dinosaurs” at two assemblies next week. At least one of the assemblies will be mandatory for all students and teachers.

The group has created teaching materials “explaining the origins, extinction and possible existence of dinosaurs” from a Biblical view and believes the dinosaur Tyrannosaurus rex walked the Earth as early as 100,000 years ago rather more than 65 million years ago. In a lecture uploaded to YouTube last year, Sharp criticized scientists for ignoring the great flood of the Bible.

“We respectfully request the District take immediate and concrete steps to remedy these problems,” the ACLU concluded. “The first step would be to cancel the planned mandatory school assemblies now set for next week.”

However, superintendent Crawford has said he will not call off the assemblies. He told The Kansas City Star the assemblies will not promote creationism, despite the beliefs and mission of the Creation Truth Foundation.

“I agree with the ACLU, in that, if a mandatory all-school assembly where creationist truths or creationist beliefs were expressed, that would be inappropriate public-school content, and that is not the case,” Crawford said. “It’s completely and totally school appropriate.”
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:42 PM   #91
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You're right. They're called creationists.
Sure, nobody but creationists can have religious tendencies.


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Well, there's Homo Erectus and Australopithecus for starters. But the evolution deniers will always move the goalposts on that, because no matter how many transitional fossils are found, they'll always point to a gap and say "Aha! The link there is MISSING!!!".
Well, is the link not still missing? I've seen the human body take many forms in my life. I'm not seeing anything that doesn't look like either a human or a primate. No combination of the two.

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Creationists love to talk about the Piltdown Man hoax. Piltdown Man was an obvious fake. The Creationists will cling to that hoax with their dying breath and use it to argue that all transitional fossils are actually hoaxes.

But guess what? It wasn't a bunch of Creationists who proved the Piltdown Man was a hoax. It was a bunch of skeptical scientists who noticed major inconsistencies between Piltdown Man and all of the real transitional fossils found elsewhere, both before and after the Piltdown Man hoax.

In November 1953, Time published evidence gathered variously by Kenneth Page Oakley, Sir Wilfrid Edward Le Gros Clark and Joseph Weiner proving that the Piltdown Man was a forgery and demonstrating that the fossil was a composite of three distinct species. It consisted of a human skull of medieval age, the 500-year-old lower jaw of a Sarawak orangutan and chimpanzee fossil teeth. Someone had created the appearance of age by staining the bones with an iron solution and chromic acid. Microscopic examination revealed file-marks on the teeth, and it was deduced from this that someone had modified the teeth to a shape more suited to a human diet.

That's how science works. Scientists don't accept things based upon faith. They question, question, question, and when something doesn't fit, they figure out why. If something is a hoax, the hoax is inevitably exposed because every other scientist in the world is carefully scrutinizing the claim.

There's a pretty big difference between the scientific method and dogmatic religious teachings that emphasize the importance of accepting those teachings on faith alone, and threatening the listeners with eternal torture in hell if they don't. If you can't see the difference, it's because you've shut off the rational part of your brain because you're terrified by the prospect of eternal damnation if you dare to question authority.

Yeah, sorry, you got the wrong guy here.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:48 PM   #92
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:53 PM   #93
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While this is totally true, the OP says it's a mandatory thing. And the rules are pretty clear on separating church and state.
While I agree that science belongs in the public school, and not creationism, the rules aren't very clear about church and state issues. Also, the founders didn't have much concept of public schools. What they did have a conception of was religion in schools. Emphatically. Religion and schools were completely wedded together.

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Old 04-22-2013, 08:11 PM   #94
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Yeah, sorry, you got the wrong guy here.
So you DO see the difference difference between (1) the scientific method and (2) dogmatic religious teachings that emphasize the importance of accepting those teachings on faith alone, and threatening the listeners with eternal torture in hell if they don't accept those teachings?

Please explain the difference.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:23 PM   #95
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So you DO see the difference difference between (1) the scientific method and (2) dogmatic religious teachings that emphasize the importance of accepting those teachings on faith alone, and threatening the listeners with eternal torture in hell if they don't accept those teachings?

Please explain the difference.
I see the difference generally speaking. I do not see it in this specific issue. There are plenty of holes in the evolution theory. Yet it is clung to as dogmatically as Christians cling to creationism, if not more so. At least Christians admit that there is faith involved. Evolutionists keep trying to claim scientific fact with said holes still evident.

When you can offer me 100% undeniable proof then we will have something to discuss. Until then, it takes just as much faith for me to believe in evolution as it does for me to believe in intelligent design.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:35 PM   #96
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There is no such thing as a "missing link"
Every species is an intermediate of where it came from and what it will become

Modern apes are not ancestors to humans
Species dont morph into already existing species; this isnt pokemon

The progressions that have lead to the modern day human are not a mystery
It is all laid out plain as day in the fossil record and more importantly in the genetic codes
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:38 PM   #97
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There is no such thing as a "missing link"
Every species is an intermediate of where it came from and what it will become

Modern apes are not ancestors to humans
Species dont morph into already existing species; this isnt pokemon

The progressions that have lead to the modern day human are not a mystery
It is all laid out plain as day in the fossil record and more importantly in the genetic codes
See? There isn't even agreement among evolutionists as to wich version of evolution is correct.

And you all want to be taken seriously.....
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:48 PM   #98
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See? There isn't even agreement among evolutionists as to wich version of evolution is correct.

And you all want to be taken seriously.....
He gave a couple examples of primitive humanoids that would resemble what some think a "missing link" might look like

I just stated that the idea that there is a missing link between humans and their primate ancestors is not one held by scientists or anyone with understanding of the theory of evolution

The link has already been established, there are no secrets where humans came from

He was just listing examples of more primative humanoids; what I said did not contract anything he wrote
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:50 PM   #99
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He gave a couple examples of primitive humanoids that would resemble what some think a "missing link" might look like

I just stated that the idea that there is a missing link between humans and their primate ancestors is not one held by scientists or anyone with understanding of the theory of evolution

The link has already been established, there are no secrets where humans came from

He was just listing examples of more primative humanoids; twas no contradiction
But not everyone accepts that. Just like not everyone accepts the Big Bang theory. My point stands; the evolution community is at odds with itself on the particulars.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:54 PM   #101
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:09 PM   #102
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I wasn't referring to science..dumb dumb dumb
I apologize then, so help me out. When you say "neither", what two things are you referring to?
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But not everyone accepts that. Just like not everyone accepts the Big Bang theory. My point stands; the evolution community is at odds with itself on the particulars.
Both are accepted by 99% of the scientific community
Both are among the more well supported theories that exist

True that not everyone accepts them as correct, but the reasons why people seem to doubt them usually stem from ignorance of what the theories actually say

All of the evidence supports the theory of evolution, especially the genetics
It would be quite the longshot if all of that was wrong
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Here it is from Isaiah

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

There was also a passage where Jesus was describing it...i'll find it later.
You do realize that the conception of the "universe" at this time was that the earth was a flat circle and that the "heavens" rotated around it. It doesn't describe an "orb".

http://etb-cosmology.blogspot.com/20...-universe.html
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Both are accepted by 99% of the scientific community
Both are among the more well supported theories that exist

True that not everyone accepts them as correct, but the reasons why people seem to doubt them usually stem from ignorance of what the theories actually say

All of the evidence supports the theory of evolution, especially the genetics
It would be quite the longshot if all of that was wrong

Wait a minute, I keep being told this scientific FACT. So now which is it? Fact, or theory?
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