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Old 04-18-2013, 02:22 PM  
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he US House of Representatives has once again passed the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), which died in the Senate last year, by a margin of 288 to 127 after two days of debate.

Over several hours, House opinion on the bill boiled down to whether the redesigned CISPA successfully addressed criticism from civil libertarians, and whether the threat of cyberattacks was grave enough to justify overriding lingering concerns. Representative Candice Miller (R-MI), a CISPA supporter, painted a dire picture of North Korean hackers taking down the US power grid, and Rep. Joe Heck (R-NV) warned that "our nation is under attack."

Rep. Mike McCaul (R-TX) went so far as to urge passage with a comparison to the Boston Marathon bombings: "In the case of Boston they were real bombs, in this case they're digital bombs. And these digital bombs are on their way."
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Google, Facebook, Twitter, and other Internet companies and e-mail providers will be prohibited from making legally binding promises to protect your privacy, thanks to a vote this afternoon in the U.S. House of Representatives.

CISPA means Internet and other companies will be "completely exonerated from any risk of liability" if they open their databases with confidential customer information to the feds and even private-sector firms.

CISPA is controversial because it overrules all existing federal and state laws by saying "notwithstanding any other provision of law," including a privacy policy or terms of service agreement, companies may share certain confidential customer information "with any other entity, including the federal government." It would not, however, require them to do so.

CISPA's information sharing regime allows the transfer of vast amounts of data, including sensitive information like Internet records or the content of e-mails, to any agency in the government."
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:10 AM   #61
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Another in a long line of posts that conjures up fabricated bullshit instead of confronting reality.

If these people stayed at home, then why did the Republicans hold on to the House in 2012 when they got so thoroughly shellacked in 2008?
Ya' know, you really should have started another thread if you wanted to digress for this long. I want to discuss the increasing loss of our rights under the national security state.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:12 AM   #62
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In the meantime, markets get the blame.

Our govt today is run by criminals.



Obama is the Teflon Don of Presidents.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:12 AM   #63
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WikiLeaks and Julian Assange. Give him a call he'll do the job, just know your phone will be tapped.
There's always those throwaway phones.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:13 AM   #64
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He is, he just can't get away with it all in one shot due to checks and balances. He's an incrementalist. An impatient one but one nevertheless.
"That's the problem with you progressives..."

He's such a Marxist that when he had a super majority in the Senate he didn't even attempt to bring up a single payer system for debate. Not as a bargaining chip or a proposal he wanted to spend political capital on, he didn't even bring it up for debate.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:15 AM   #65
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There was a Democrat who won his primary in Tennessee. I believe he was running for the US House. He ran as a fiscal conservative and social liberal.
Joe Manchin, Mark Lincoln, Max Baucus ring a bell?
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:18 AM   #66
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2012 House of Representatives Election:

Democrats received 59 million votes
Republicans received 57 million votes

2008 House of Representatives Election:

Democrats received 64 million votes
Republicans received 51 million votes.

So, these Republicans that stayed at home for McCain also stayed at home for Romney and 10 percent of people who previously voted for Democrats voted for Republicans, but Obama's support levels only dropped from 53% to 51%?

Right.
You don't really have very good reading comprehension. I said that if they stayed home for Romney, they definitely stayed home for McCain. I didn't say they stayed home for both. Romney was more conservative than McCain, therefore he got more conservatives to come out and vote for him. However, he was still nowhere near as conservative as most conservatives would like. So he still missed out on a lot of the conservative vote.

I am very involved in my local Republican party. If you go to any meeting, you will find that less than 2/3 of the people there actually voted, because they were so disappointed in Romney winning the primary. These are the people who are active in the Republican party and they couldn't even draw themselves to vote for Romney. It is going to be worse for people who aren't active in politics. This hurt the state even more because we had a very winnable governor's race, but the conservative turnout was so bad, that we lost.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:21 AM   #67
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"That's the problem with you progressives..."

He's such a Marxist that when he had a super majority in the Senate he didn't even attempt to bring up a single payer system for debate. Not as a bargaining chip or a proposal he wanted to spend political capital on, he didn't even bring it up for debate.
He is a politician. He knows what he won't be able to get at this point in time because he's an incrementalist, as I said and will repeat. This is called the Cloward-Piven strategy at work.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:23 AM   #68
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I think he lost because he was a ginourmous douchebag.
I do too, like mega epic flip flopping douchebag.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:55 AM   #69
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You don't really have very good reading comprehension. I said that if they stayed home for Romney, they definitely stayed home for McCain. I didn't say they stayed home for both. Romney was more conservative than McCain, therefore he got more conservatives to come out and vote for him. However, he was still nowhere near as conservative as most conservatives would like. So he still missed out on a lot of the conservative vote.

I am very involved in my local Republican party. If you go to any meeting, you will find that less than 2/3 of the people there actually voted, because they were so disappointed in Romney winning the primary. These are the people who are active in the Republican party and they couldn't even draw themselves to vote for Romney. It is going to be worse for people who aren't active in politics. This hurt the state even more because we had a very winnable governor's race, but the conservative turnout was so bad, that we lost.
It's obvious that you didn't even read my post.

If they stayed home for both, then why did House Republicans receive six million more votes than they did in 2008? You are, literally, talking about a ten percent drop in support for Democratic candidates in 2012 compared to 2008.

How does their percentage dropped that precipitously and Obama's dropped by one fifth of that (2%)?

Here is what you need for your hypothesis to be true:

Eighty percent of people who voted for Democrats in 2008 and not in 2012 did not change their presidential vote.

You also make the fallacious assumption that your own personal experience with your local Republican Party is somehow representative of the entire national experience.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:57 AM   #70
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He is a politician. He knows what he won't be able to get at this point in time because he's an incrementalist, as I said and will repeat. This is called the Cloward-Piven strategy at work.
Do you have any actual support for your claim that he's an incrementalist?
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:08 PM   #71
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:17 PM   #72
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Do you have any actual support for your claim that he's an incrementalist?
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196 R's voted yes, only 29 voted no.
Disgusting for limited govt types.
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There was a Democrat who won his primary in Tennessee. I believe he was running for the US House. He ran as a fiscal conservative and social liberal.
Wouldn't that be pretty similar to a libertarian? Hand off my money and hands off my personal choices?
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