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Old 04-19-2013, 01:01 PM  
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2 guys shut down a city

****ing pathetic....
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:48 AM   #106
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Being TOLD to stay in place is crap. They should have closed schools and places where large groups gather because of the bomb possibility but not having Gas Stations, Grocery etc open was silly. Use all those cops standing around to guard the city and the people who are out and about. if you're a citizen then use conceal and carry while you go about your business.

Oh wait, it's Massacusetts they probably don't have concealed carry. This whole fiasco is why we should have armed citizens. Take care of your family but if you do go out then be packing and if some asshole tries to jack your car then you blow them away or at least die trying. Its better than hiding in your house being owned by fear. I know the chowda's are tough in many ways but why they would agree to shut down their city entirely was embarrassing and makes the US look pathetic to future would be terrorists.

I guess I just dont get the mindset of the urban East Coast citizen and a population who listens to clueless politicians who are simply guessing if it's safe to go outside or not. Hell, the Mayor let everyone out and then twenty minutes later the shots ring out. Duval Patrick has no idea what he was saying or doing. The citizens, not the cops found this kid.
Yeah, everyone should have just grabbed their gun and white hat and went about their day.
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:49 AM   #107
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Yeah, everyone should have just grabbed their gun and white hat and went about their day.
I'm not saying that. Read what I wrote and think.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:03 AM   #108
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I'm not saying that. Read what I wrote and think.
What you said is that citizens should have been allowed to go do what they want aside from going to school. How many false identifications do you think would have been called in had people been out in force yesterday?

Chalk this up to being a snow day. Extraordinary circumstances justifying a temporary(12 whole hours) suspension of being able to go window shopping.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:10 AM   #109
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I never said don't look for him. I am calling out the fact that a bunch of people are hiding in their homes because of 1 or 2 guys and the city is all but shit down because of 1 or 2 guys.

There is a point to terrorism and that point was successfully made, unfortunately.

I don't like it but you are right. The terrorists goal is to disrupt and paralyze economic means and society. The two guys are somewhat incidental to the greater goal of organized terrorists. The facts are two guys killed people, terrorized a million more and cost Boston about one billion dollars. In the greater scheme, they won, we lost.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:16 AM   #110
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What you said is that citizens should have been allowed to go do what they want aside from going to school. How many false identifications do you think would have been called in had people been out in force yesterday?

Chalk this up to being a snow day. Extraordinary circumstances justifying a temporary(12 whole hours) suspension of being able to go window shopping.
Its a matter of degree. I'm saying the cops should keep the city running (food, gas) at a minimum. I'll say it again it was a citizen outside walking their dog that found the kid. Not the cops. The dumbass politicians had no idea what to do. They said shelter all day and then when they lifted it, twenty minutes later the guy was found and shots rang out.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:40 AM   #111
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I don't like it but you are right. The terrorists goal is to disrupt and paralyze economic means and society. The two guys are somewhat incidental to the greater goal of organized terrorists. The facts are two guys killed people, terrorized a million more and cost Boston about one billion dollars. In the greater scheme, they won, we lost.
Maybe they won the battle, but Boston won the war.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:42 AM   #112
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Its a matter of degree. I'm saying the cops should keep the city running (food, gas) at a minimum. I'll say it again it was a citizen outside walking their dog that found the kid. Not the cops. The dumbass politicians had no idea what to do. They said shelter all day and then when they lifted it, twenty minutes later the guy was found and shots rang out.
No, it was a guy at home that saw his boat had blood on it.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:48 AM   #113
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I can't believe people are using this situation to claim that Boston somehow botched this job up. JFC.

Most manhunts take years to find the right guy. This was a situation where two guys dropped bombs in public with no cops or security to see it. They identified the suspect, tracked them down, and either captured or killed them in a few days. It was a tremendous collaboration between the city, the police department, the businesses in the area, and citizens.

Drop your agendas for 5 minutes, please. The idea that Boston and Boston PD should get no credit for tracking the guy down just because they were tipped off by someone is just plain ludicrous.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:50 AM   #114
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Maybe they won the battle, but Boston won the war.
As a person I'm thrilled about the capture an killing of these two guys.

As a strategic thinker I'm not happy. The terrorists traded two guys for a week or terror and economic loss. We can't afford that. The politicians are obviously clueless. We need a new strategy and that involves the citizenry as well as the cops.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:52 AM   #115
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I can't believe people are using this situation to claim that Boston somehow botched this job up. JFC.

Most manhunts take years to find the right guy. This was a situation where two guys dropped bombs in public with no cops or security to see it. They identified the suspect, tracked them down, and either captured or killed them in a few days. It was a tremendous collaboration between the city, the police department, the businesses in the area, and citizens.

Drop your agendas for 5 minutes, please. The idea that Boston and Boston PD should get no credit for tracking the guy down just because they were tipped off by someone is just plain ludicrous.
My agenda is the same as yours. Live free in the face of terrorism.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:53 AM   #116
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Maybe they won the battle, but Boston won the war.
You like de facto martial law, do ya'? Figures
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:54 AM   #117
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Your implication is that it was ****ing pathetic that Boston had to go into a police state to stop a terrorist attack. That's what it takes when you don't want a police state to prevent an attack.

What makes your argument flawed is that it doesn't consider the alternatives. We could have avoided this by a heavy police state to prevent it. I don't want that. We could have avoided a police state in hunting down the criminal, nevermind that this could have increased the likelihood that the scumbag could have gotten away or at least prolonged the hunt.

There was nothing pathetic about how it was handled. It was a remarkable partnership between citizens, businesses, and the police to capture two guys in a crowd. In fact, it was really remarkable.
Yes there was. 2 guys shut down a major city with pressure cookers.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:57 AM   #118
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I can't believe people are using this situation to claim that Boston somehow botched this job up. JFC.

Most manhunts take years to find the right guy. This was a situation where two guys dropped bombs in public with no cops or security to see it. They identified the suspect, tracked them down, and either captured or killed them in a few days. It was a tremendous collaboration between the city, the police department, the businesses in the area, and citizens.

Drop your agendas for 5 minutes, please. The idea that Boston and Boston PD should get no credit for tracking the guy down just because they were tipped off by someone is just plain ludicrous.
Well let's just form a police states country wide and hunt down all the murderers and rapists and other bad criminals ?

This isn't about an agenda. It's about how 2 punks paralyzed a major city for 2 days with a ****ing pressure cooker.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:57 AM   #119
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Well let's just form a police states country wide and hunt down all the murderers and rapists and other bad criminals ?

This isn't about an agenda. It's about how 2 punks paralyzed a major city for 2 days with a ****ing pressure cooker.
Yep.
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Well, let's face it. It WAS a private citizen that went outside, violating the lockdown order, who saw the guy in his boat.

Not saying the cops wouldn't have eventually found him, or that narrowing down the area didn't help because it did, but he could have been dead by that time too.

There's pros and cons politically. This de facto martial law psychologically conditions the population to live like this. Ultimately, it could lead to lack of resistance by the people when it's needed.' Er well that's happening already. Warrantless searches did not prevent act of terror, nor did the evisceration of our rights. People are being conditioned by these events laying down and giving up their rights instead of insisting its central govt to change its policies.
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