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Old 04-18-2013, 10:16 AM  
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...7PwFkbO1NheqNL

Tale of two terrorists
By JOHN M. MURTAGH

Last Updated: 12:46 AM, April 18, 2013

Posted: 11:54 PM, April 17, 2013

Somewhere near Boston early Monday morning, he packed a bomb in a bag. It was by all accounts relatively crude — a pressure cooker, explosives, some wires, ball bearings and nails . . . nails which, hours later, doctors would struggle to remove from the flesh of bleeding victims.

His motive is unclear. His intent is not: It was to maximize injury, suffering, pain, trauma and, yes, death.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be offered a teaching job at Columbia University.

Forty-three years ago last month, Kathy Boudin, now a professor at Columbia but then a member of the Weather Underground, escaped an explosion at a bomb factory operated in a townhouse in Greenwich Village. The story is familiar to people of a certain age.

Three weeks earlier, Boudin’s Weathermen had firebombed a private home in Upper Manhattan with Molotov cocktails. Their target was my father, a New York state Supreme Court justice. The rest of the family, was presumably, an afterthought. I was 9 at the time, only a year older than the youngest victim in Boston.

One of Boudin’s colleagues, Cathy Wilkerson, related in her memoir that the Weathermen were disappointed with the minimal effects of the bombs at my home. They decided to use dynamite the next time and bought a large quantity along with fuses, metal pipes and, yes, nails. The group designated as its next target a dance at an Officer’s Club at Fort Dix, NJ.

Despite the misgivings of some, it is reported that Kathy Boudin urged the use of “anti-personnel bombs.” In other words, she wanted to kill people not just damage property. Before they could act, her fellows were killed in the townhouse explosion. The townhouse itself collapsed; Boudin fled.

She reappeared over a decade later driving the getaway car for the rag tag mix of Weathermen and Black Panthers who held up a Rockland County bank in 1981, murdering three in the process. Survivors of the ambush along the New York State Thruway recount how Boudin emerged from the driver’s door, arms raised in surrender, asking the police to lower their guns. When they did, her accomplices burst from the back of the van guns blazing.

As I said, people of a certain age remember this history. For those that don’t, Robert Redford is kindly about to release a movie recounting the Rockland robbery (albeit relocated to Michigan). By all accounts, the film lionizes the Weather Underground terrorists, Boudin and her accomplices.

Perhaps to bring it full circle, Professor Boudin can soon guest-lecture at a film class at Columbia when the Redford movie is screened.

Other than the passage of time, one can find no real distinction between the cowardly actions of last Monday’s Boston murderer and the terror carried out by Boudin and her accomplices. Yet today we live in a country where our leading educational institutions see fit to trust our children’s education to murderers and Hollywood sees fit to celebrate terrorists.

The Web site of Columbia’s School of Social Work sums up Boudin’s past thus: “Dr. Kathy Boudin has been an educator and counselor with experience in program development since 1964, working within communities with limited resources to solve social problems.”

“Since 1964” — that would include the bombing of my house, it would include the anti-personnel devices intended for Fort Dix and it would include the dead policeman on the side of the Thruway in 1981.

Maybe, if he is caught, Monday’s bomber can explain that, like Boudin, he was merely working within the community to solve social problems.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not. Perhaps, some day, Monday’s bomber will be offered tenure at Columbia University.


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Old 04-18-2013, 12:38 PM   #61
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I don't think she's a terrorist. She once committed an act of terrorism, though. In that sense, she was a terrorist. I don't think that makes her a perpetual terrorist though.
I don't think he's a rapist. He once committed an act of rape, though. In that sense, he was a rapist. I don't think that makes him a perpetual rapist though.

Can't wait for a defense lawyer to employ that "logic".
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:48 PM   #62
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It reminds you of the opportunism of the gun control left except on a much smaller and more personal scale, huh?
I don't know that there is any Gun Control Left, Jim Brady worked for Ronald Reagan and he seems to think that certain people should not have guns, Gabby Giffords was one of the more conservative democrats with no aspirations to pass any gun control legislation until a diagnosed psycho bought guns, magazines and ammo, before killing her constituents and shooting her in the head. Caroline McCarthy, may or may not have voted Democrat, before her husband was killed along with many others by another nut on the commuter train, but I do not know that she was even in politics until that happened.

Seems to me that the people in Newtown and relatives of other murder victims wanted to be heard.

Seems to me that there were no plans to work on any federal gun control legislation until Newtown, but a lot of legislation followed 9/11, and you fell for every B*sh policy whose primary rationale was, "The world changed on 9/11." In a lot of cases that would be a proper justification, shame that B*sh let D*ck Ch*ney run things and D*ck Ch*ney proved to be a collossal dumbazz.
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:50 PM   #63
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Seems to me that the people in Newtown and relatives of other murder victims wanted to be heard.
Nothing their state, which has strict gun control laws, can't do if they want to really be heard.
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:53 PM   #64
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I don't know that there is any Gun Control Left, Jim Brady worked for Ronald Reagan and he seems to think that certain people should not have guns, Gabby Giffords was one of the more conservative democrats with no aspirations to pass any gun control legislation until a diagnosed psycho bought guns, magazines and ammo, before killing her constituents and shooting her in the head. Caroline McCarthy, may or may not have voted Democrat, before her husband was killed along with many others by another nut on the commuter train, but I do not know that she was even in politics until that happened.

Seems to me that the people in Newtown and relatives of other murder victims wanted to be heard.

Seems to me that there were no plans to work on any federal gun control legislation until Newtown, but a lot of legislation followed 9/11, and you fell for every B*sh policy whose primary rationale was, "The world changed on 9/11." In a lot of cases that would be a proper justification, shame that B*sh let D*ck Ch*ney run things and D*ck Ch*ney proved to be a collossal dumbazz.
Like I said, pure opportunism of the gun control left.
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:01 PM   #65
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Nothing their state, which has strict gun control laws, can't do if they want to really be heard.
They did go to Hartford and meet with every legislator there willing to see them. And the legislature took action and passed some changes in law.

Connecticut used to manufacture more guns than any other state. I think they still have manufacturers there, but not as many as there used to be.

Citizens can also advocate for their beliefs with their federal elected representatives. I hope you don't think otherwise.
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:02 PM   #66
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I don't think he's a rapist. He once committed an act of rape, though. In that sense, he was a rapist. I don't think that makes him a perpetual rapist though.

Can't wait for a defense lawyer to employ that "logic".
Would that be during the prosecution of a particular rape, or for an entirely different matter?
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:03 PM   #67
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I don't know that there is any Gun Control Left, Jim Brady worked for Ronald Reagan and he seems to think that certain people should not have guns, Gabby Giffords was one of the more conservative democrats with no aspirations to pass any gun control legislation until a diagnosed psycho bought guns, magazines and ammo, before killing her constituents and shooting her in the head. Caroline McCarthy, may or may not have voted Democrat, before her husband was killed along with many others by another nut on the commuter train, but I do not know that she was even in politics until that happened.

Seems to me that the people in Newtown and relatives of other murder victims wanted to be heard.

Seems to me that there were no plans to work on any federal gun control legislation until Newtown, but a lot of legislation followed 9/11, and you fell for every B*sh policy whose primary rationale was, "The world changed on 9/11." In a lot of cases that would be a proper justification, shame that B*sh let D*ck Ch*ney run things and D*ck Ch*ney proved to be a collossal dumbazz.
I didn't fall for Bush's bullshit after 9/11. And I'm pretty sick of listening to people on both sides justify bad behavior by citing instances of the other party doing the same thing.
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Kind of like Charles Manson.
Dude's got a point here.
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I don't think he's a rapist. He once committed an act of rape, though. In that sense, he was a rapist. I don't think that makes him a perpetual rapist though.

Can't wait for a defense lawyer to employ that "logic".
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Would that be during the prosecution of a particular rape, or for an entirely different matter?
I'm simply illustrating the folly of your attempt to disconnect the action from the person.
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When's he getting out?
Hasn't lined up a teaching gig yet; that will probably help with his parole.
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I'm simply illustrating the folly of your attempt to disconnect the action from the person.
I'm not saying to disconnect her past from her person. I am saying that her past does not indict her present. The difference between her and a member of Al Qaeda or the Boston terrorists is that she is no longer carrying out bad acts. Hopefully she has asked God for forgiveness. But even if she hadn't, she should not be accused of being a current terrorist.
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I'm not saying to disconnect her past from her person. I am saying that her past does not indict her present. The difference between her and a member of Al Qaeda or the Boston terrorists is that she is no longer carrying out bad acts. Hopefully she has asked God for forgiveness. But even if she hadn't, she should not be accused of being a current terrorist.
Being a terrorist is like having herpes. Once you've got it it doesn't go away.

Manson hasn't murdered in decades. We cool with him now?
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Being a terrorist is like having herpes. Once you've got it it doesn't go away.

Manson hasn't murdered in decades. We cool with him now?
That's not legally nor morally true. Manson hasn't murdered in decades because he hasn't had the ability. On the other hand, this Columbia instructor can commit acts of terrorism but chooses not to.

I'm fine with the line being drawn at the time of re-entering society. Since Manson has yet to re-enter and is still serving his sentence, I'm fine with calling him a murderer still.
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Like I said, pure opportunism of the gun control left.
Since Newtown, the NRA and the gun makers and sellers have made big coin. Big Big Big Big coin.

Seems like they stir up people into buying guns and hoarding ammo. and then they raise money by being untruthful.

The NRA was in favor of expanded background checks not too long ago.

You should be less naive.
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