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Old 04-17-2013, 07:52 PM  
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Rand Paul hurts Obama's Feelings

"I've heard folks say that having the families of victims lobby for this legislation was somehow misplaced–a 'prop,' somebody called it," he said. "Are they serious? Do they really think that thousands of families whose lives have been shattered by gun violence don't have a right to weigh in on this issue? Do we think their emotions, their loss is not relevant to this debate?"

"So all in all, this was a pretty shameful day in Washington," he added.

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Old 04-18-2013, 09:08 AM   #31
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How about being a key player in winning World War II.
I have to disagree. WWII was fought & won by men in the field. The way it should be.
Then along came Vietnam a conflict that was run out of Washington. Need I say more?
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:16 AM   #32
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That depends on how you interpret the phrase "shall not be infringed."
Tell that to convicted felons that can only afford to live in a neighborhood where it might be reasonable for them to feel that possessing a gun is necessary.

The proposed bills would all pass a constitutional review by the Supreme Court. It would not even be a close question.

In reality, this is a political decision by individual legislators, does not really have anything to do with what you might imagine the 2nd Amendment could mean to you. The constitution is a governing document not a poem or a movie or a painting that is "experienced" subjectively in some new age kind of way.
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:25 AM   #33
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I have to disagree. WWII was fought & won by men in the field. The way it should be.
Then along came Vietnam a conflict that was run out of Washington. Need I say more?
Well Germany and Japan had the industrial capability to build a lot of military hardware, and we had to mobilize every aspect of our society to be the major builder of military hardware for the Allied side. And we would not have been able to do it as well if FDR and his New Deal projects had not created the infrastructure to generate the electricity necessary to power the factories.

Of course, our fighting men contributed greatly, but if we did not have a progressive government in charge for the decade previous, World War II would have ended with a truce that left most of Europe and East Asia under Fascist rule.
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:31 AM   #34
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Well Germany and Japan had the industrial capability to build a lot of military hardware, and we had to mobilize every aspect of our society to be the major builder of military hardware for the Allied side. And we would not have been able to do it as well if FDR and his New Deal projects had not created the infrastructure to generate the electricity necessary to power the factories.

Of course, our fighting men contributed greatly, but if we did not have a progressive government in charge for the decade previous, World War II would have ended with a truce that left most of Europe and East Asia under Fascist rule.
You obviously missed the point. No shocker there
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:22 AM   #35
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You obviously missed the point. No shocker there
Thanks for conceding.
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:43 AM   #36
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That depends on how you interpret the phrase "shall not be infringed."
Better yet would backround checks have saved the people Obama is using as props?
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:56 AM   #37
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I may be if you bastards try to infringe upon my rights.

I'm really sick of you people trying to impose what you think is right on law abiding citizens. You can't control what you think you can control,so just impose laws on everybody, just because you don't own a gun or think it's right.

Sickening.
I heard Obama was coming to your house personally to take your guns. With a crew in boogieman masks. AAHHHH!
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:18 AM   #38
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Your hyperbole is stupid.

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I heard Obama was coming to your house personally to take your guns. With a crew in boogieman masks. AAHHHH!
Infringe means to limit or undermine (something); encroach on. It doesn't take a ban to infringe. We don't have background checks on speech. We just have a few reasonable limitations. This is not that because we already have gun control and some states have even more. The mental health aspects can be handled by each state anyway.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:27 AM   #39
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Your hyperbole is stupid.



Infringe means to limit or undermine (something); encroach on. It doesn't take a ban to infringe. We don't have background checks on speech. We just have a few reasonable limitations. This is not that because we already have gun control and some states have even more. The mental health aspects can be handled by each state anyway.
You don't say?!?!
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:29 AM   #40
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You don't say?!?!
Well, you were acting like they had to be banned for an infringement to occur. The federal govt has no right to even know who has a gun. It keeps them honest. Reasonable laws can be passed by the states.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:34 AM   #41
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Well, you were acting like they had to be banned for an infringement to occur. The federal govt has no right to even know who has a gun. It keeps them honest. Reasonable laws can be passed by the states.
Let's look through the countless gun topics and the repeated "Chicken Little" posts about how Obama and the gov't is coming to get their guns.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:36 AM   #42
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Let's look through the countless gun topics and the repeated "Chicken Little" posts about how Obama and the gov't is coming to get their guns.
& your response would be?
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:37 AM   #43
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Let's look through the countless gun topics and the repeated "Chicken Little" posts about how Obama and the gov't is coming to get their guns.
Just read what some leftists like Obama think about guns. It's a well grounded fear based on source material. He's an incrementalist.
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NeoCon Toomey (R), is from a gun-owning state. Let's hope he goes down in flames too.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:46 AM   #45
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Just read what some leftists like Obama think about guns. It's a well grounded fear based on source material. He's an incrementalist.
It's certainly a fear but I don't think it's always grounded. Sometimes it's fun to poke the bear on those less grounded.
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