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Old 04-17-2013, 03:51 PM  
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Expanded background checks for gun sales fails in Senate

Expanded background checks for gun sales fails in Senate, delivering blow to Newtown families and Obama

WASHINGTON – Compromise legislation to expand mandatory background checks for gun sales -- a key element of the federal response to the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn. – failed Wednesday afternoon in the US Senate.

The inability of President Obama and Democratic leaders to round up the required 60 votes in favor of enhanced background checks dealt a striking defeat to a major initiative of the president’s second term, falling short despite numerous pleas and trips to Washington by families of the Sandy Hook Elementary School victims, whose children were murdered five months ago by a lone gunman with a semi-automatic assault rifle.

The Senate voted Wednesday afternoon to block the first of nine amendments to Obama’s gun control bill, a compromise forged between senators Joe Manchin, a Democrat from West Virginia, and Pat Toomey, a Republican from Pennsylvania to expand background checks for gun buyers.

Despite the bipartisan negotiations, the amendment failed when only 54 senators voted to proceed, falling six votes short. All New England senators voted yes except for Senator Kelly Ayotte, a Republican from New Hampshire.

“Shame on you!” a spectator in the gallery yelled out in the chamber, prompting a gavel for order.

Erica Lafferty, 27, the daughter of Dawn Hochsprung, principal of Sandy Hook who lost her life in the shooting, said she was disappointed by the vote “but the fact that it got to the floor is good.”

“I’m confident that it will be back, and I also know that I will be here when it does come back,” Lafferty said. “We’re not going away.”

Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican, praised Manchin and Toomey for their efforts during the debate preceding the series of votes.

“You did the right thing,” McCain said. “What they have tried to do today I think is an act that should be appreciated by those of us who many times avoid taking the tough decisions.”

Senator Christopher Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat in favor of gun control, spoke out against the outsized influence of the gun lobby.

“The longer that I’ve spent in this place, the more I’m convinced that there are people who actually do believe that we should just go back to the days of the wild, wild west,” Murphy said, “that we should usher in a new era of gun control Darwinism in which the good guys have guns, the bad guns, and we just hope that the good guys shoot the bad guys.”

Because of senate procedural rules, a 60-vote threshhold was required for each of the nine amendments to proceed. The other amendments include an assault weapons ban and limits on high capacity magazines.

The gun debate has been marked by intense lobbying on both sides, big-spending influence campaigns targeting individual senators, and some vitriolic attacks, particularly by some groups opposed to firearms restrictions.

Groups beyond the National Rifle Association, the traditional representative of the gun lobby, have played a major role in the debate. The National Association for Gun Rights used email alerts, online videos, and a Facebook page to convey mocking imagery that targeted individual senators.

In a series of Facebook posts, the group showed Obama as a puppeteer, controlling the strings of Toomey. Stamped in red ink is, “Toomey Sold Out Your Gun Rights.”

The gun rights group similarly depicted all 16 Republicans who voted last week to prevent a GOP filibuster and move forward on the gun legislation debate. The 16 also are shown with their faces on sticks, tagged by Facebook users with unfriendly names. Senator Lamar Alexander, of Tennessee, is “Socialist.” Senator Tom Coburn, of Oklahoma, is “communist #9.” Senator John Hoeven, of South Dakota, is “Judas Bastard.”

Senator Kelly Ayotte, of New Hampshire, is “liberal [expletive] 1” while Senator Susan Collins, of Maine, is “liberal [expletive] 2.”

Polls show that nearly 90 percent of Americans support a strong system of background checks for gun purchases. But the looming failure of gun-control legislation illustrates how vocal minorities are exerting strong influence on congressional debates by targeting individual senators with outside pressure, channeled through Internet organizing.

Some of that organizing directly targets senators who seek compromise.

“NO DEALS, NO GUN CONTROL,” the National Association for Gun Rights blasts on its website.

Few have experienced as much heat as Collins, a Maine Republican who has built a reputation for being moderate and open to compromise. A host of groups in recent days have taken out ads in Maine trying to win her over, including groups supporting gun-control legislation.

Organizing for Action, an offshoot of President Obama’s campaign network, ran an ad Friday on the Bangor Daily News website with this message: “Tell Senator Collins: It’s time to close background check loopholes.” That ad came a day after a full-page ad from the National Rifle Association that asked, “Will Obama’s gun control proposals actually work? His own experts say, ‘No.’”

The group on Monday posted a doctored and unflattering photo of Collins with her eyes bulging as if she were a zombie. Within an hour, 5,413 people liked it on Facebook and 490 people had commented on it.

Senator Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican, Wednesday morning criticized the president for using the Newtown, Conn., families “as props.”

At a breakfast with reporters sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor, he said the legislation would not have prevented the Sandy Hook shootings, and he criticized the vote as being mostly for show.

“A lot of things in Washington are window dressing, it’s a dog and pony show, it’s a parade, it’s theatrics, it’s histrionics, all to show people that something bad happened — which it did. Something terribly tragic happened,” he said.

But, he added, “None of the proposals really would have addressed the tragedy.”

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Old 04-17-2013, 07:15 PM   #76
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:16 PM   #77
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God damn these Republican retards can't even pass tougher laws for gun traffickers.
Just like the Democratic retards can't pass tougher prosecution against felons that try to purchase guns.



Both sides need votes to get elected. Gun legislation is going to go nowhere.
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:34 PM   #78
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Online and all dealer show sales background checks. You hadn't heard of that proposal?
I have bought 2 guns online. You order the gun, it's delivered to a licensed gun dealer. The dealer cannot sell you a weapon without a valid permit. The permit is obtained by paying a fee to the SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT who first run a background check before they issue you the permit. I've never bought a gun from a gun show, but I know you have to provide that permit first to legally purchase the gun.

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Old 04-17-2013, 07:36 PM   #79
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Just like the Democratic retards can't pass tougher prosecution against felons that try to purchase guns.



Both sides need votes to get elected. Gun legislation is going to go nowhere.
You won't get any argument out of me. There is alot of Dems that are cowards as well
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:39 PM   #80
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Online and all dealer show sales background checks. You hadn't heard of that proposal?
Please link where I can purchase a gun online without a FFL being involved.
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:45 PM   #81
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I have bought 2 guns online. You order the gun, it's delivered to a licensed gun dealer. The dealer cannot sell you a weapon without a valid permit. The permit is obtained by paying a fee to the SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT who first run a background check before they issue you the permit. I've never bought a gun from a gun show, but I know you have to provide that permit first to legally purchase the gun.

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Online sales anger gun control advocates because shoppers can use them to exploit a long-standing loophole in federal law that allows unlicensed private gun sellers to skip background checks on prospective buyers in their home state. Also, while it's a felony to sell a firearm knowingly to an individual who would not pass a background check because of a criminal record or history of mental illness, many private sellers flout that rule.

Bob Ralph shuttered Express Police Supply, a brick-and-mortar store in Lenexa, Kan., that sold Smith & Wesson's M&P 15 semiautomatic rifles and Glock's 22 handguns, in 2011. Now he's gearing up for GunCycle.com. Ralph acknowledges that a private collector who auctioned a gun through his site could meet the buyer in a parking lot and hand over the weapon without a background check. "There would be no way for me to stop that or preclude that," he said. "And it would be legal for them to do it that way."



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Old 04-17-2013, 07:46 PM   #82
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Please link where I can purchase a gun online without a FFL being involved.
u trolling, but a birdie told meh you can redirect fedex packages and it helps to use the same name as the ffl guy when you make payment. I may or may not have used this method.
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u trolling, but a birdie told meh you can redirect fedex packages and it helps to use the same name as the ffl guy when you make payment. I may or may not have used this method.
So this is legal? Or are you breaking the law?
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Just because you're not clever enough to skirt around laws doesn't mean we shouldn't create better obstacles for those who are.
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You won't get any argument out of me. There is alot of Dems that are cowards as well
They need to target specific areas if we are to see any movement.


The broad bills they are presenting are not going to cut it.
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So this is legal? Or are you breaking the law?
probably breaking some law that I don't agree with. I look at it like I payed for the gun, and I don't care that you (the government) wants to know I have weapon.
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Here's tonight's grassroots email from NAGR Executive Vice President, Dudley Brown.

"Reid and Obama issue new threat"

“We are not giving up, and this is not over. I will do everything I can to continue our efforts to pass stronger background checks.” -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid

“I see this as just round one.” -- President Barack Obama

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back. But don’t uncork the champagne.

Instead, take a second to let Senator Reid's and President Obama's quotes sink in.

The good news is, just minutes ago, the Senate finished voting on amendments to S.649.

Thanks to your help, one of the worst -- the Toomey-Manchin “Background Check” (NATIONAL GUN REGISTRATION) Amendment -- was defeated.

60 votes were required for passage. But thanks to your hard work and consistent action, the gun-grabbers managed only 54.

But anyone watching the roll-call vote go down saw something strange.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid -- after spending more than a week twisting arms to ram the bill down the American people’s throats -- voted against the bill.

Why?

Now, he can bring the Toomey-Manchin Amendment back up at virtually any time -- which will be as soon as he thinks he has the votes.

So don’t think for a second we’ve won the war. We haven’t.

Harry Reid wasn’t joking when he said the fight is “not over.”

That’s the bad news.

In fact, tomorrow, the United States Senate will vote on two more amendments to S.649.

Tomorrow morning, I’m going to ask all NAGR members to call their U.S. Senators once again.

And Harry Reid’s mission remains simple . . .

Pass a gun bill -- ANY gun bill -- through the U.S. Senate.

Gun-grabbers believe any gun bill that makes it through the Senate will almost assuredly pass the House -- albeit with a couple amendments.

Then, they can get to an Obama-controlled Conference Committee where any number of anti-gun goodies will be added.

Then all bets are off.

As I’ve told you before, once the snowball gets rolling, gun-grabbers believe it will turn into an avalanche.

So even if they have to add a “sweetener” or two, gun-grabbers will do anything to pass a bill through the Senate.

Sadly, that’s what some of the votes outside of the Toomey-Manchin National Gun Registration “compromise” that occurred today were all about.

Fortunately -- thanks to NAGR members’ “No Gun Deals” petitions, faxes, and phone calls -- every amendment voted on today failed, including:

*** National Concealed-Carry “Reciprocity,” allowing the federal government to set a “federal standard” and handing President Obama and Eric Holder names of state concealed carry permit holders;

*** “Veterans Protection,” along with the reintroduction of “Project Gestapo,” which treats gun crime as different than other types of crime, allowing prosecutors to nail gun owners to the wall with major prison terms for the most minor violations;

*** The Feinstein Gun Ban and the Senator Leahy’s ATF Witch Hunt Amendment, and the Blumenthal Magazine Ban -- three major items at the top of the gun-grabbers agenda.

So what next?

Well, as I mentioned, two more votes will occur tomorrow.

So you and I can’t afford to let up the pressure for a second.

The good news is, NAGR members have proven to be a massive force to be reckoned with in Washington, D.C.

But President Obama isn’t going to just “give up.”

He’s going to throw the full weight of his presidency behind gun control.

Billionaire New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s group Mayors Against Guns will spend millions on TV ads meant to browbeat weak-kneed U.S. Senators into voting to strip us of our Second Amendment rights.

And the worst of it is, all the wheeling and dealing will take place behind closed doors in Washington, D.C.

Just like the draconian Toomey-Manchin “compromise,” the gun-grabbers will wait until the last minute to spring it on you and me.

The ball is in Senator Reid’s court now.

After the Senate voted to defeat Senator Rand Paul’s filibuster last week, he’s held all the procedural cards.

Our job is to remain vigilant and ready for action.

I’ll continue to keep you updated on any future developments.

But in the meantime, thank you so much for your action and your financial support.

For Freedom,

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