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Claire McCaskill: If Boston bombings are terrorism, why not Sandy Hook?

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Claire McCaskill: If Boston bombings are terrorism, why not Sandy Hook?

By SCOTT WONG | 4/17/13 1:10 PM EDT

If President Barack Obama and the U.S. government consider the perpetrator of the Boston bombings a terrorist, then why not the shooter who killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School?

“Based on the evidence at this point, is there any difference between Sandy Hook and Boston other than the choice of weapon?” Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) asked Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano during a congressional hearing Wednesday.

Napolitano didn’t have a simple response.

“In terms of intent for death and destruction and injury, no,” she said, “Methodology, yes. And we don’t know the motivation behind, certainly, Boston — we don’t know whether it was domestic, it’s international ...”

“Or if it was identical to the motivation in Sandy Hook,” McCaskill suggested.

“It’s impossible for me to sit at the table today and say they are identical except in effect and impact,” Napolitano said.

On the same day the Senate was expected to vote on several gun-control provisions, McCaskill pressed Napolitano to reevaluate when and how the federal government defines a criminal act as terrorism — especially when, in the case of the Boston incident, no suspects or motives are known.

“We are so quick to call Boston terror,” McCaskill said. “Why aren’t we calling the man with the high-capacity assault weapon and the high-capacity magazine, why aren’t we calling him a terrorist?”

“I don’t know the answer to that question,” the secretary replied.

“It just is troubling to me,” said McCaskill, a former county prosecutor. “I think both of them, maybe they had identical motives. Just one chose a military-style weapon with a high-capacity magazine, and the other one chose to make a homemade bomb.”

A day after Monday’s twin Boston bombings that killed three people and injured 176, Obama told reporters the FBI is investigating the attack as “an act of terror.” Napolitano repeated that line in testimony before the Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday morning.

Later Wednesday afternoon, an amendment by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) — requiring background checks for firearms purchases — was expected to fall short of the 60 votes needed to pass.

The Senate will take up eight other amendments as well, including a ban on assault weapons and a ban on high-capacity magazines like those used by Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook shooting in Newtown, Conn., in December.

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Old 04-17-2013, 06:49 PM   #31
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Your example doesn't come close to the reality of Boston.

Multiple bombs set. Bomber(s) don't stick around to face the consequences. That isn't mass murder, the intent is to terrorize. Terrorize in the reality it all could happen again. You don't need a political motive to terrorize. Some sick **** just getting his jollies watching the explosion over and over on tv thinking it would be great to do again before he's caught is terrorism. Maybe not the form you think it is but he has already set in motion the alteration of how we do things in the future publicly. To me, by default, that fits the definition of terrorism.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:50 PM   #32
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Your example doesn't come close to the reality of Boston.

Multiple bombs set. Bomber(s) don't stick around to face the consequences. That isn't mass murder, the intent is to terrorize. Terrorize in the reality it all could happen again. You don't need a political motive to terrorize. Some sick **** just getting his jollies watching the explosion over and over on tv thinking it would be great to do again before he's caught is terrorism. Maybe not the form you think it is but he has already set in motion the alteration of how we do things in the future publicly. To me, by default, that fits the definition of terrorism.
I think you do need a political\ideological motive to consider it terrorism because without it is just mass murder.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:50 PM   #33
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I think we're all on the same side here. And I have to point out I have no issues with how Obama has handled it so far.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:51 PM   #34
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I think you do need a political\ideological motive to consider it terrorism because without it is just mass murder.
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I think we're all on the same side here. And I have to point out I have no issues with how Obama has handled it so far.
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Do you think what the Aurora theater shooter did was terrorism or mass murder?
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I think you do need a political\ideological motive to consider it terrorism because without it is just mass murder.
I understand. I know Saul sees it your way. I just disagree.

A mass murderer sticks around. This guy ran away for a reason.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:55 PM   #38
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I understand. I know Saul sees it your way. I just disagree.

A mass murderer sticks around. This guy ran away for a reason.
Just curious. Where are you getting this fact that a mass murderer sticks around? I thought most murderers don't return to the crime scene or stick around it.
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I understand. I know Saul sees it your way. I just disagree.

A mass murderer sticks around. This guy ran away for a reason.
most terrorists stick around too albeit all over the place

I would think most people would consider the Fort Hood shooter a terrorist because he did it for political\ideological\ reasons.
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Just curious. Where are you getting this fact that a mass murderer sticks around? I thought most murderers don't return to the crime scene or stick around it.
I'm talking guys like Lanza that knew the second they acted they were dead. Anyone else I consider a terrorist in that they could act again and leave that impression on the public.
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most terrorists stick around too albeit all over the place

I would think most people would consider the Fort Hood shooter a terrorist because he did it for political\ideological\ reasons.
This is how I feel although the mass murderers should be treated the same. When someone attacks innocent people they should not be afforded the same rights and treatment as other criminals IMO~
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most terrorists stick around too albeit all over the place

I would think most people would consider the Fort Hood shooter a terrorist because he did it for political\ideological\ reasons.
And I agree. I'm just saying the definition is broader than just doing it for political motives.

I don't doubt for second the feds will have no problem using provisions of the Patriot Act trying to find the Boston perp, even though it doesn't fit your definition of terrorism.
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This is how I feel although the mass murderers should be treated the same. When someone attacks innocent people they should not be afforded the same rights and treatment as other criminals IMO~
If the person is an American and committed their atrocities in America they should be afforded all rights that other criminals have.

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And I agree. I'm just saying the definition is broader than just doing it for political motives.

I don't doubt for second the feds will have no problem using provisions of the Patriot Act trying to find the Boston perp, even though it doesn't fit your definition of terrorism.
Like what? A basic definition is "violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants"



I agree.
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If the person is an American and committed their atrocities in America they should be afforded all rights that other criminals have.



Like what? A basic definition is "violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants"



I agree.
What is a "terrorist activity?"
Under the Patriot Act, terrorist activities include:

• threatening, conspiring or attempting to hijack airplanes, boats, buses or other vehicles.

• threatening, conspiring or attempting to commit acts of violence on any "protected" persons, such as government officials

• any crime committed with "the use of any weapon or dangerous device," when the intent of the crime is determined to be the endangerment of public safety or substantial property damage rather than for "mere personal monetary gain"

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