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Wyoming locals pick up tab for Yellowstone snowplowing
Sequester cuts idled federal plows and threatened the park's opening day. Even though most here favor limited government, this isn't quite what they had in mind. By Mark Z. Barabak, Los Angeles Times April 6, 2013, 7:00 p.m. CODY, Wyo. — For many, the federal budget ax that fell last month has meant a few nicks here and there. For Joe Kondelis, it's sliced a lot deeper. After stewing for days, the 53-year-old opened his wallet and delivered a $2,000 check to the Cody Chamber of Commerce to help pay for snowplowing at Yellowstone National Park. It wasn't easy. Cash is scarce once Yellowstone shuts down for the winter. But after automatic spending cuts idled the National Park Service plows and threatened to delay opening day for two weeks — two weeks that could cost his beer distributorship $100,000 in sales — Kondelis felt he had no choice. "You live and die by the tourist market," he said beneath a framed picture of the Budweiser logo, which loomed overhead like a portrait of the family patriarch. Fearing an economic disaster — people planning their vacations sometimes hear just the words "closed" and "Yellowstone" and there goes the whole summer — the chambers in Cody and Jackson Hole raised $170,000 to pay for the state to step in and fire up its snowplows. The work began last week and, barring a major storm, the park's east and south entrances will open on time in early May. The story could end there, a happy tale of small-town pluck. Many in Cody are proud of how the community of fewer than 10,000 rallied to save the tourist season from sequestration, as the $85 billion in cuts are called. "It kicked us right in the pants," said Mike Darby, a partner in the Irma Hotel, which was built in 1902 by "Buffalo Bill" Cody himself. "And thank God we rose up and kicked them back. We did." But a weave of contradictions surrounds the episode, reflecting the tension between self-sufficiency and codependence, between these Westerners' stated desire for a smaller, more limited government and reliance on the services that people have come to expect from far off, little-loved Washington, D.C. "We all want to cut the deficit but don't want to sacrifice the lifestyle that money makes possible," said Warren Murphy, a retired clergyman and one of the few avowed progressives in this deeply conservative part of a deeply conservative state. "Sequester is just a small sample of what you get." Dan Wenk, the superintendent of Yellowstone, is the face of the federal government around Cody and his popularity underscores the truth that it's harder to dislike a neighbor than some faceless bureaucrat inside the Beltway. When the cuts hit, Wenk had to slice $1.75 million from his $35-million budget and do it with the fiscal year just about half-over. He trimmed his payroll. He scaled back travel and training programs. Finally, he decided to idle the Park Service snowplows for two weeks, saving $30,000 a day and leaving it to the spring thaw to help clear more than 300 miles of roadway. The idea, Wenk said, was to ensure there was money left to keep Yellowstone open throughout the peak summer months. "We cut the budget in a way we thought was absolutely the least impactful," he said. Locals were nearly unanimous in their praise for Wenk and the way he worked with community leaders and state officials to find a solution that got the plows rolling. It is a lesson, they said, that Washington should heed. "We just talked it through," said Claudia Wade, marketing director for the county tourism office. "Everybody came to the table and said, 'How can we work this out?' Not, "Whose fault is it?'" There are limits, however, to that goodwill. Wade and others insist the fundraising drive, or Park Service bailout, or whatever people choose to call it, was a one-time thing. "It was an important point that we'd only do it this time," said Scott Balyo, executive director of the Cody chamber. Even so, many worry about precedent. Kondelis, who works alongside his wife and two sons in their beverage business, explained why he contributed: "I believe in this community and we need to step forward like everybody else. But my biggest issue was … the politics isn't going to change. So next year, they're going to say, 'Oh, you guys figured it out, you guys came to the table, so this cut was good.'" The relationship between Washington and the West has always been fraught. The region's proud creed of independence ignores the crucial role the federal government plays in its prosperity. At the same time, few things grate more than the presumption that a distant landlord can better manage the land than the people who live on it. (The federal government controls about half of the acreage in Wyoming.) People in Cody are used to dealing with natural disasters, like the wildfires or heavy snow that occasionally close Yellowstone and sucker-punch the economy. But this crisis felt artificial, man-made, and thus avoidable. It's not that residents don't want to reduce the deficit. Washington needs "to grow the economy, not the government," said Jay Linderman, who owns an Italian restaurant on Cody's main drag and grudgingly gave $200 to pay for plowing. What rankles locals is the indiscriminate nature of the sequester, which cut programs across the board without weighing individual merits. But therein lies the perennial rub: Cuts that are welcomed in the abstract are not always appreciated when they hit home. And everything the government does, however small, touches somebody. "If it's a national park, it shouldn't be our burden to operate," said Bob Brandt, manager of the Cody Hotel, which sits on the main highway to Yellowstone, about 50 miles away. His business contributed $2,500 to the snowplow fund. If not entitlement, locals at least share a feeling that Washington has obligations it mustn't slough off, even as spending declines. "You pay your taxes to get certain services," said Bruce Eldredge, executive director of the Buffalo Bill Historical Center, a world-class museum in the center of town, which delivered a $10,000 check to the chamber. "We would, I think, probably argue as a community that we pay our federal taxes to make sure the park is open at a specific time." For his part, Wenk assumes the cuts made under sequester represent "the new normal." Yellowstone's budget has been shrinking for the last few years, even as the number of visitors has grown. Looking ahead to next year, Wenk said everything — including the snowplowing schedule — is on the table. The state, meantime, has seized on the fundraising publicity to get an early jump on its summer tourism campaign. As a crowd cheered and cameras recorded the scene last week, big yellow tractors began chewing through the snow, bearing placards with the promotional theme "Yellowstone or Bust." From: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,5412062.story /So I'm supposed to feel bad for the guy who had to spend $2,000 of his own money to help guarantee $100,000 in sales? Yeah, it sure does suck that the Federal Government wasn't there to help out that guys profit margin with my money. |
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We are not talking about building new roads at an accelerated pace. We are largely talking about maintaining roads and, in some cases, building projects to change access. I understand there is corruption and favoritism to corporate welfare in our public system today. I hate waste from construction projects that are either used to create jobs or run inefficiently because there's no incentive to do a good job. But the idea of privatizing roads is something I've heard many times and it just wrongfully assumes that private businesses collectively can make decisions that benefit the collective. That's bullshit. Private businesses make decisions to benefit themselves and will squash the competition. But there are controls in place, and rightfully so, to how far a private business can go to do that. It assumes that all private businesses are good and ethical, that a system of consumption-based roads can be pulled off without centralization (e.g. a common EZ pass system vs. 20 different EZ pass systems). It assumes that good roads can be built without collusion or, if we allow collusion, that this behavior is a good thing (in most instances, it's not). It assumes you won't have private investors with big pockets funding their own pet projects, or companies that fund projects aimed at destroying access to competitors. It assumes it's a good thing that poor people should have terrible roads or should be limited from having access to nicer areas. It assumes that all private businesses are smart and that there won't be dumb leaders who fund ridiculous transportation and road projects that do more harm than good. Libertarianism leans in the right direction here in that there should be more privatization in road planning. But there is a ton of benefit in centralization. |
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Looks like the whole situation worked out to me. Dude had to risk 2k for a projected profit. I hope he made the dough.
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In your free market idea, What happens when a segment of the country is not cost effective to bring infrastructure? What happens if a company can't make a profit off a road. Here is an example using electricity: "Although nearly 90 percent of urban dwellers had electricity by the 1930s, only ten percent of rural dwellers did. Private utility companies, who supplied electric power to most of the nation's consumers, argued that it was too expensive to string electric lines to isolated rural farmsteads. Anyway, they said, most farmers, were too poor to be able to afford electricity. The Roosevelt Administration believed that if private enterprise could not supply electric power to the people, then it was the duty of the government to do so. Most of the court cases involving TVA during the 1930s concerned the government's involvement in the public utilities industry." http://newdeal.feri.org/tva/tva10.htm |
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My thinking is not "in the box." I am for increasing privatization of roads and a more democratic process for deciding which projects get funded. But I pointed out plenty of reasons why privatization is a terrible idea. Much as I disagree with loneiguana, he's made some outstanding points in this thread. |
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I am not interested in a long debate with a statist on this as a major hijack. I've done this debate before. No need to rinse and repeat the same arguments.
If you want to see my pov use the search. Then agree to disagree. Otherwise, you are left to argue with yourself.
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I doubt seriously that BEP is enough of a libertarian purist that she doesn't acknowledge that there is a place for some level of public infrastructure. But even if she is, a tiny minority of conservative dissenters doesn't invalidate my point.
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But let's face it, our interstate highway system was built for the military originally.
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You don't speak for everyone. I've been around the bend with chiefzilla to the point where I know what he's going to say while it goes on endlessly. I don't have the time and it's not worth it. My choice. Now go back to your ivory tower and quit pretending you speak for everyone. Generalities won't do. Those debates are here. I sourced the proper book that covers it because you can't educate someone on a MB—especially someone who is unwilling to open their mind to new information—much like you.
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cdcox is a narrow-minded professor. Who woulda' thought our colleges came to this when it comes to novel and new ideas.
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Look at the lunatics promoting private roads in that video. Governor Mitch McDaniels of Indiana, John Stossel and Randall O'Toole, a public policy analyst, who studied transportation for 20 years.
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