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Old 03-25-2013, 06:23 PM  
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DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition

Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 25, 2013

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jackets, therefore the DHS’ explanation that it is buying huge quantities in bulk to “save money” doesn’t make sense.

As we reported yesterday, concerns about the apparent arms build-up are growing, with retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sending a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.

- Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp said last week that threats should be made to withdraw funding from the DHS if it didn’t explain why it was purchasing so many bullets, remarking, “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”

- Earlier this month, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance said, “Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred,” signaling his intention to get answers.

- Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security asking if the purchases are, “being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition.”

Although members of Congress are treating the matter with the seriousness it deserves, the mainstream and leftist media have attempted to ridicule the entire issue as a conspiracy theory, with Atlantic Wire even suggesting that the story had its origins in a debunked email, a report that completely failed to even mention the admitted fact that the DHS had purchased around 2 billion bullets.

While the DHS continues to purchase bullets in large quantities, police departments have been forced to barter amongst each other in a desperate scramble to meet their ammo needs.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.


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Old 03-25-2013, 11:09 PM   #61
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You are not alone. I've not met anyone who practices with hollow points. They do just like you and I do, FMJ's for practic and JHP's for the real deal.
I imagine most "regular" people practice with the cheaper option. But are you really telling me that you would be shocked to find out that federal law enforcement might practice with the same stuff they use in the field?

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Is it more likely that they are hoarding the hollow points for the day the govt declares war on the citizenry in order to put you into a slave labor camp?
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:12 PM   #62
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This story was posted in the Lounge and you can go read the responses. I think it's safe to say that the majority opinion is no one uses hollow points for target practice.
Why you keep comparing yourself and other posters here to federal law enforcement, I will never know.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:17 PM   #63
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Why you keep comparing yourself and other posters here to federal law enforcement, I will never know.
I had a buddy pass away in January that was a fed. We talked guns quite a bit and shot together. I never saw him use HP's for practice off the job. On the job, who knows. I wish I could ask him.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:26 PM   #64
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This story was posted in the Lounge and you can go read the responses. I think it's safe to say that the majority opinion is no one uses hollow points for target practice.
I checked it out. Interesting. I liked the part of the thread talking about how we are repealing the 2nd Amendment in favor of a UN arms treaty. Simply amazing. Its like the stupidity simply could not be contained within DC and had to seep over there in order to fully expose just how idiotic you nuts can be.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:09 AM   #65
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Why you keep comparing yourself and other posters here to federal law enforcement, I will never know.
Weak deflection. No one in the federal government is using JHP’s for target practice either.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:09 AM   #68
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I tell you what Cosmo, the range I belong to is in kahootz with the Olathe Police Dept. A lot of Olathe cops go there to practice and few of the guys that work there are cops. I will ask them if they practice with the same rounds they carry.
I work on a department with 75+ officers and none of us use jhp's to qual with. its way too expensive. I usually qual with federal or Winchester, this year it will be magtech. I catty Hornady critical duty jhp xtp at $1/rnd.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:41 AM   #69
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Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only
OK, so it looks like the DHS has provided an answer for their bullet purchase.

But wait....

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While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up
Ummm... ignore? Did you miss the DHS answer above?

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Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.
Silence? But what about the above statement saying they already answered?

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“They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”
Refuse to answer to answer? No, they actually answered. It's just that crazy paranoid people don't like the answer they gave, so they're simply ignoring it. I'm sure it's much more likely that the US is planning to kill all its citizens with the most expensive bullets possible. That's the logical answer....
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I work on a department with 75+ officers and none of us use jhp's to qual with. its way too expensive. I usually qual with federal or Winchester, this year it will be magtech. I catty Hornady critical duty jhp xtp at $1/rnd.
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OK, so it looks like the DHS has provided an answer for their bullet purchase.

But wait....



Ummm... ignore? Did you miss the DHS answer above?



Silence? But what about the above statement saying they already answered?



Refuse to answer to answer? No, they actually answered. It's just that crazy paranoid people don't like the answer they gave, so they're simply ignoring it. I'm sure it's much more likely that the US is planning to kill all its citizens with the most expensive bullets possible. That's the logical answer....

So it's much more likely they're buying the most expensive bullets possible to practice with?

That's the logical answer.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:48 AM   #72
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Regarding the expense...

Does the fact that the government is not choosing the least expensive solution really indicate conspiracy? That's what you're alluding to. The government is wasting money, so there must be a conspiracy to murder its citizens? Think about that for a minute...
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So it's much more likely they're buying the most expensive bullets possible to practice with?

That's the logical answer.
Yes. That would be a much more likely and logical answer.
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Weak deflection. No one in the federal government is using JHP’s for target practice either.
Speaking for myself I have on rare occasions shot hollow points while target shooting. That said in total it adds up to a handful of rounds. Anyone thinking these are for target practice are gullible. If they are indeed for that purpose than it is another case of our government wasting money in a silly fashion~
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Speaking for myself I have on rare occasions shot hollow points while target shooting. That said in total it adds up to a handful of rounds. Anyone thinking these are for target practice are gullible.
What other purpose in your mind would there be?

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If they are indeed for that purpose than it is another case of our government wasting money in a silly fashion~
This thought doesn't surprise or shock you does it?
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