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View Poll Results: Should we have invaded Iraq on 3/19/03?
Yes 16 15.53%
No 84 81.55%
Too close to call at this point. Leave it to Gaz. Also, I'm a wishy-washy fop of a human being. 3 2.91%
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:56 AM  
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Invasion of Iraq 10 years later: Good move or mistake

10 years ago today the US invaded Iraq to overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein. The after-effects of that decision are still being felt to this day, and obviously will continue to play out in the years and decades to come. At this milestone, however, knowing everything that you know now, should we have gone in, or not?

Regrets and hypotheticals aren't really the goal here. We could go on and on (and have, many times) about how the post-invasion situation was handled, etc. ad infinitum. You should vote simply on the facts as they have actually occurred over the last 10 years.

Poll forthcoming. Note that it will be a public poll.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:02 AM   #271
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And he does this with everyone. Comes in lobbing insults and then when a poster fights back he attempts to play the victim card.

Also, bear in mind this dipshit didn't even join the military until after 40 and only did so because he couldn't hold down a regular job.
I thought the military had a retard test to weed out people south of the 80 IQ line. Wow my respect for the military has slipped if they allow someone this obviously mentally ill / retarded into their midst willingly.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:05 AM   #272
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I thought the military had a retard test to weed out people south of the 80 IQ line. Wow my respect for the military has slipped if they allow someone this obviously mentally ill / retarded into their midst willingly.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:21 AM   #273
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And again you have yet to address any of the actually information in any of the posts. I have provided multiple sources.

I honestly just think you are lazy.
I'm still waiting to hear what your point was in post 61. Once you make a point, I'll respond to it. If you can't answer this baseline question, there's really nothing to talk about.

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Can you prove without a shadow of a doubt that that the American public was not sold faulty, if not outright lies, about intelligence?
Are you changing the subject again? In post 61 you were blathering about misleading statements by key administration officials, now you're just talking about faulty intelligence. You really need to focus a little tighter on whatever your point is.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:23 AM   #274
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I dont think it is meant to belittle anyone. Its a simple question, knowing what we know now, was Iraq a good idea or a mistake?

I for one, was all for it at the time. Given the info we were, it seemed right, I wasnt sure that Iraq was behind the attack but I was willing to believe that they could be and people in the know, said they were. I was gung ho, make them pay!

Do I feel stupid now for buying into that, sure.

If you ask me now, was it a mistake, I would be even dumber to say, no.
Who were these people in the know who said Iraq was behind the 9/11 attack? What did they say?
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:27 AM   #275
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:24 PM   #276
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Who were these people in the know who said Iraq was behind the 9/11 attack? What did they say?
You can't argue with their own words that they spoke into TV cameras to sell the Iraq war and its Al-Quaeda ties.

The truth is Oama Bin Laden hated Saddam and wanted nothing from him.

Go to you tube and watch the Dick Cheney Dec. 9th 2001 interview on Meet the Press. Cheney says Atta (leader of the 9/11 attackers) met with the Iraq Republican Guard in Prague before the attacks. Cheney says this is fact. Of course its all BS.

You tube is your friend, Rice goes on PBS newshour on Sep. 2002 and says several of the high level Gitmo detainees have told us that Iraq provided Al-Quaeda with training and chemical weapons development. Of course this was all BS too.

Bush says in a sppech on Oct. 7th 2002 that we have learned that Iraq has trained Al-Quaeda terrosits on bomb making, poisons and deadly gasses.

Aug. 2002 Cheney in Nashville to the VFW "there can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. No doubt that he amassing them to use agaisnt our friends. allies and against us."

Two weeks later on Meet the Press. Cheney says "We know with absolute certainty that Saddam is enriching uranium and plans to build a nuclear weapon."

I could go on and on. They sold us BS. 4,300 dead Americans. 32K wounded, $3 TRILLION of our tax $ spent just to get rid of some tin horn dictator.
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:31 PM   #277
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:43 PM   #278
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You can't argue with their own words that they spoke into TV cameras to sell the Iraq war and its Al-Quaeda ties.

The truth is Oama Bin Laden hated Saddam and wanted nothing

Go to you tube and watch the Dick Cheney Dec. 9th 2001 interview on Meet the Press. Cheney says Atta (leader of the 9/11 attackers) met with the Iraq Republican Guard in Prague before the attacks. Cheney says this is fact. Of course its all BS.

You tube is your friend, Rice goes on PBS newshour on Sep. 2002 and says several of the high level Gitmo detainees have told us that Iraq provided Al-Quaeda with training and chemical weapons development. Of course this was all BS too.

Bush says in a sppech on Oct. 7th 2002 that we have learned that Iraq has trained Al-Quaeda terrosits on bomb making, poisons and deadly gasses.

Aug. 2002 Cheney in Nashville to the VFW "there can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. No doubt that he amassing them to use agaisnt our friends. allies and against us."

Two weeks later on Meet the Press. Cheney says "We know with absolute certainty that Saddam is enriching uranium and plans to build a nuclear weapon."

I could go on and on. They sold us BS. 4,300 dead Americans. 32K wounded, $3 TRILLION of our tax $ spent just to get rid of some tin horn dictator.
You forgot several others, but I'll point to this one for you.

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In 1990, Biden voted against the first Gulf War after Iraq under Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. In 1998, Biden expressed support for the use of force against Iraq, and urged a sustained effort to "dethrone" Saddam Hussein over the long haul. In 2002, as Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he stated that Saddam Hussein was "a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security" and that United States has "no choice but to eliminate the threat".He also said, "I think Saddam either has to be separated from his weapons or taken out of power."

Biden also supported a failed resolution authorizing military action in Iraq only after the exhaustion of diplomatic efforts, Biden argued that Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons and is seeking nuclear weapons;he subsequently voted in favor of authorizing the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Biden has since said that he believes it was a mistake to support the Iraq War because it has been mismanaged by the Bush Administration. In 2005, Biden said, "We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq (but) I think that would be a gigantic mistake, or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out equally a mistake."

Regarding his belief that Iraq maintained stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, Biden said in 2007 that inspectors had seen and cataloged the existence of the materials required to make such weapons prior to their expulsion from Iraq and pondered why Saddam Hussein didn't tell the international community that he had disposed of them. stated in July 2002 that most chemical and biological agents produced by Iraq would have been neutralized or degraded in storage, encouraging the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee to convene hearings to reassess the threat. When the committee scheduled hearings in the beginning of August 2002, Scott Ritter, the chief United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq, stated that "Sen. Joe Biden is running a sham hearing. It is clear that Biden and most of the Congressional leadership have pre-ordained a conclusion that seeks to remove Saddam Hussein from power regardless of the facts, and are using these hearings to provide political cover for a massive military attack on Iraq."
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:58 PM   #279
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You can't argue with their own words that they spoke into TV cameras to sell the Iraq war and its Al-Quaeda ties.

The truth is Oama Bin Laden hated Saddam and wanted nothing from him.
Whether true or not, that has nothing to do with this.

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Go to you tube and watch the Dick Cheney Dec. 9th 2001 interview on Meet the Press. Cheney says Atta (leader of the 9/11 attackers) met with the Iraq Republican Guard in Prague before the attacks. Cheney says this is fact. Of course its all BS.
Link? There was no Meet The Press on Friday, Dec. 9th 2001, so I'm in the same boat as you. Neither of us knows what you're talking about.

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You tube is your friend, Rice goes on PBS newshour on Sep. 2002 and says several of the high level Gitmo detainees have told us that Iraq provided Al-Quaeda with training and chemical weapons development. Of course this was all BS too.

Bush says in a sppech on Oct. 7th 2002 that we have learned that Iraq has trained Al-Quaeda terrosits on bomb making, poisons and deadly gasses.
First and most importantly, that's not relevant to whether or not Saddam was behind 9/11. Second, there's no reason to believe that it was BS. Iraq provided such training to middle east radicals and some of those radicals also turned out to be al Qaeda.

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Aug. 2002 Cheney in Nashville to the VFW "there can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. No doubt that he amassing them to use agaisnt our friends. allies and against us."

Two weeks later on Meet the Press. Cheney says "We know with absolute certainty that Saddam is enriching uranium and plans to build a nuclear weapon."

I could go on and on. They sold us BS. 4,300 dead Americans. 32K wounded, $3 TRILLION of our tax $ spent just to get rid of some tin horn dictator.
You're continuing to drift away from the point. Please address the bolded comment above since it's a response to the only part of your post that had anything to do with the topic (even though what you posted was clearly untrue).
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:13 PM   #280
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Whether true or not, that has nothing to do with this.



Link? There was no Meet The Press on Friday, Dec. 9th 2001, so I'm in the same boat as you. Neither of us knows what you're talking about.



First and most importantly, that's not relevant to whether or not Saddam was behind 9/11. Second, there's no reason to believe that it was BS. Iraq provided such training to middle east radicals and some of those radicals also turned out to be al Qaeda.



You're continuing to drift away from the point. Please address the bolded comment above since it's a response to the only part of your post that had anything to do with the topic (even though what you posted was clearly untrue).
so your point is that I'm making all this up? that there is no video evidence of them saying these things?
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Its funny to see the conservatives feel obligated to defend that unnecessary war. Reality is it was a horrible decision 10 years ago as it still is today and always will be. No need to even try to defend that failed administrations actions.

Now keep your heads up Republicans, after Obama's damage is done, you will get the white house back and can try to damage this country the way you like to damage it then after a term or two we can give the liberals another shot at it. At some point down the road one of you will succeed.
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As far as the subject of this thread, yes it is. Well unless you don't count Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld as being Bush's fault.
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so your point is that I'm making all this up? that there is no video evidence of them saying these things?
It's only one THING, not things. And you cited a non-existent episode of Meet the Press instead of posting a youtube or a link. So what am I supposed to think?
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