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View Poll Results: Should we have invaded Iraq on 3/19/03?
Yes 16 15.53%
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:56 AM  
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Invasion of Iraq 10 years later: Good move or mistake

10 years ago today the US invaded Iraq to overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein. The after-effects of that decision are still being felt to this day, and obviously will continue to play out in the years and decades to come. At this milestone, however, knowing everything that you know now, should we have gone in, or not?

Regrets and hypotheticals aren't really the goal here. We could go on and on (and have, many times) about how the post-invasion situation was handled, etc. ad infinitum. You should vote simply on the facts as they have actually occurred over the last 10 years.

Poll forthcoming. Note that it will be a public poll.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:02 PM   #31
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Vietnam was NOT worth it. Never was. Idiotic war to fight from day one.

Korea? KOREA?!? WTF? How was Korea not worth it? South Korea is a good ally, with 50 MILLION people living in relative peace and with high standard of living. North Korea, an avowed enemy of our country, would be MUCH more powerful if it had conquered and controlled South Korea, which has much more arable land, better ports and generally is better situated to be economically successful, for the last 50 years. Total US dead and wounded, about 128,000 (33,000 or so killed), plus Dougie MacArthur's ego of course. A high price, but well worth it IMHO.
I lean towards it was worth it for moral reasons but, if one wants to make the argument it wasn’t… Some estimates have the toll as high as 10 million people dead in the war with the end result a return to where we started in the first place. 50 years later we still have no actual peace treaty, still have 10s of thousands of troops guarding the same border. Had the North been left with their victory they would have had their own mess to clean up, we wouldn’t have paid to station troops there to this very day and they wouldn’t have any neighbors with a border to mess with other than China. 33,000 American, along millions of Chinese, North and South Korean Mothers lost sons because we chose not to let the North Korean invasion succeed. That is a high price to pay for an ally that really is only of use against North Korea and a manufacture of Hyundai cars.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:13 PM   #32
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You really can't be talking about Democrats here, who largely opposed that war, right?
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:37 PM   #33
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I was a supporter ATM also and I voted crack kiddy Bush into office. I even voted his second term.

what a boondoggle the whole thing has turned out to be. the men in charge should have been prosecuted for crimes on americans and abroad.
If there's one thing our country isn't missing, it's people making up fake crimes in order to persecute people with whom they disagree.
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:39 PM   #34
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Is Geno Smith a no-brainer 1.1 pick? That's a question that shows that CP isn't necessarily a bellweather community.

FWIW, only a slim majority of Americans (53%) think Iraq was a mistake according to a recent Gallop poll. That's incredibly low given the difficulties we encountered there and all the anti-Iraq War propaganda we've been exposed to over the past 8 years or so.
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Not surprisingly, given that the war was begun in the administration of a Republican, former President George W. Bush, 66% of respondents who identify as or lean Republican say the U.S. did not make a mistake in sending troops to fight in Iraq, while 30% express the contrary view. In contrast, 73% of Democratic leaners or identifiers see the military campaign as a mistake. Twenty-two percent in that group say it was not a mistake.

Sounds like people pretty much stuck to their party lines as far as opinions on the Iraq War.
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:49 PM   #35
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Sounds like people pretty much stuck to their party lines as far as opinions on the Iraq War.
It shouldn't be too much of a surprise, but the truth is that these results are less partisan than a lot of other government policy issues.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:01 PM   #36
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If there's one thing our country isn't missing, it's people making up fake crimes in order to persecute people with whom they disagree.

Republicans should know.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:05 PM   #37
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I lean towards it was worth it for moral reasons but, if one wants to make the argument it wasn’t… Some estimates have the toll as high as 10 million people dead in the war with the end result a return to where we started in the first place.
Pretty sure the South Koreans didn't and don't object to their losses, whatever they were, since the alternative was very ugly. As for enemy losses, I don't count them or care about them. Especially when they were obviously the aggressor.

Or do you consider the death toll of German/Italian/Japanese soldiers when calculating whether it was worth it to fight WWII?

And returning to where we started was a victory over the alternative, which was a unified peninsula under NORTH Korean rule (which was UNQUESTIONABLY going to happen without US/UN intervention).

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50 years later we still have no actual peace treaty, still have 10s of thousands of troops guarding the same border. Had the North been left with their victory they would have had their own mess to clean up, we wouldn’t have paid to station troops there to this very day and they wouldn’t have any neighbors with a border to mess with other than China. 33,000 American, along millions of Chinese, North and South Korean Mothers lost sons because we chose not to let the North Korean invasion succeed. That is a high price to pay for an ally that really is only of use against North Korea and a manufacture of Hyundai cars.
Don't give a flying youknowwhat about Chinese and North Korean mother's losses. That's just asinine.


Your willingness to sacrifice 50 MILLION South Koreans who live free to the dictatorial regime that runs Pyongyang is disturbing.

Tell me, was the Civil War worth it? Apparently not, under your theory. Lots of mothers lost their boys, North and South, only to return to status quo ante.

I normally think your opinions are pretty sound. On this I think you're in line with Comrade Craptastic, BEP or Killer Clown (i.e. waaaay out there in la-la land).
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:09 PM   #38
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So this is it, huh moonbats?

Iraq? My Lai? Friggin' My Lai???

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Old 03-19-2013, 02:32 PM   #39
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I plan on returning to this when I have time. I think it is a discussion worth having. It is not as simple as the fashionable hell no or the blindly loyal of course. It is a very complicated war. Stepping anywhere in the steaming pile of shit know as the Middle East is questionable. However there are pros and cons to what lead us there and why~
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:51 PM   #40
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I plan on returning to this when I have time. I think it is a discussion worth having. It is not as simple as the fashionable hell no or the blindly loyal of course. It is a very complicated war. Stepping anywhere in the steaming pile of shit know as the Middle East is questionable. However there are pros and cons to what lead us there and why~
This thread is just another "let's talk about George Bush (AGAIN) and deflect away from Dear Leader" O-Bot thread.

Also I'm not about to get suckered into another partisan shitfest where I'm gonna be painted into a corner and labeled a supporter of the Vichy Regime merely by pointing out the facts and the Communist parties very active role in providing lots of shit intel concerning Hussein (sadaam, not barak) and WMD's.
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my thought is; don't go to 'WAR' unless you're prepared to overhwehlm and crush the enemy.
Otherwise it's not a War; it's a policing mission. which we seem to love to do.
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Probably should've invaded the place where Osama was at.
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Probably should've invaded the place where Osama was at.
We didn't know where he was, but even if we did, it wouldn't have gotten Saddam.
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10 years later, Saddam and his brutal sons are still dead, AQ hasn't taken it over, and Iraq/US still have a chance to be great allies.

So for now I see more reasons to call it a good move rather than a mistake.
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Yes. But the invasion should have waited until after we used our nukes on them. We got 'em, need to use 'em. **** this losing troops shit.
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