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Old 03-15-2013, 09:28 PM  
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And...Then Rand Paul Did Something Foolish

Rand Paul Introduces ‘Life at Conception Act’
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...onception-act/
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul on Thursday introduced the “Life At Conception Act,” saying that the “right to life is guaranteed to all Americans.”

“I plan to ensure this is upheld,” the Republican senator added.

“Sen. Paul introduced S.583, a bill that would implement equal protection under the 14th Amendment for the right to life of each born and unborn human,” the senator’s office said, per a press release.

“This legislation does not amend or interpret the Constitution, but simply relies on the 14th Amendment, which specifically authorizes Congress to enforce its provisions,” his office adds.

Here is what Section 1 of the 14th Amendment states:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The bill has 15 cosponsors (all Republican) including Sens. John Barrasso (Wyo.), John Boozman (Ark.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Daniel Coats (Ind.), Thomas Coburn (Okla.), Michael Enzi (Wyo.), Deb Fischer (Neb.), Charles “Chuck” Grassley (Iowa), John Hoeven (N.D.), James “Jim” Inhofe (Okla.), Mike Johanns (Neb.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), James Risch (Idaho), John Thune (S.D.), and Roger Wicker (Miss.)

“The Life at Conception Act legislatively declares what most Americans believe and what science has long known — that human life begins at the moment of conception, and therefore is entitled to legal protection,” Sen. Paul said.

“The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans in the Declaration of Independence and ensuring this is upheld is the Constitutional duty of all Members of Congress,” he added.





Senator Rand PaulVerified account@SenRandPaul Introduced Life at Conception Act. The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans & I plan to ensure this is upheld.


http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/LCA.pdf
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:38 AM   #16
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No shit. We are going defend American Liberty by making the Federal government decide what is best for an individual. And we, the Federal government own your body for 9 months and you will do what the federal government mandates.

Yeah, that does sounds like a constitutional personal liberty advocate.
Well it does if you believe that the unborn child has rights. That's not hypocrisy, it's a difference of belief as to when the life begins.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:39 AM   #17
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He does this because he believes in liberty. And he correctly recognizes that you cannot protect American liberty without first protecting American life.
And the best way to ensure liberty is by passing massively restrictive laws to take away that liberty. Makes perfect sense.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:40 AM   #18
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Stay the hell out of my life! ... But tell women what the hell to do with their bodies! Medical science might disagree with my assertions, but the sky fairy I believe in tells me its true!
The argument that aborting an unborn child is murder can be made without even entering God or religion into the conversation. You could be an atheist and believe an unborn child has a right to live.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:16 AM   #19
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The argument that aborting an unborn child is murder can be made without even entering God or religion into the conversation. You could be an atheist and believe an unborn child has a right to live.
Well, sure.

But most atheists pay attention to science, which is the guiding force in MOST abortion legislation worldwide.

There's a strong correlation between religious beliefs, and especially Christianity, and an anti-choice stance. YOu're not denying that, are you?
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:20 AM   #20
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Seriously, why can't we separate the liberty lovers and second amendment defenders FROM THE GODDAMN DUMB ASS BIBLE THUMPERS????
Non-Christians don't value human life?
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:28 AM   #21
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I'm beginning to think that those idiots that can't control their penises are the ones who strongly support the murder of babies.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:41 AM   #22
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What's more important to you?

A. Totalitarian goons trying to disarm you.
B. Some teenage slut you'll never meet having an abortion.

If you chose B, stuff your ****ing head in the nearest oven and turn on the gas.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:46 AM   #23
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What's more important to you?

A. Totalitarian goons trying to disarm you.
B. Some teenage slut you'll never meet having an abortion.

If you chose B, stuff your ****ing head in the nearest oven and turn on the gas.


C. Totalitarian goons trying to disarm you and legalizing murder?
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:48 AM   #24
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No shit. We are going defend American Liberty by making the Federal government decide what is best for an individual. And we, the Federal government own your body for 9 months and you will do what the federal government mandates.

Yeah, that does sounds like a constitutional personal liberty advocate.
I believe this is an ignorant,pandering move by Paul to capture a voting base he already has. What a waste of time and a promising political career.

You on the other hand appear to be piling on in your usual intellectually dishonest and hypocritical manner. You readily cheer Uncle Sam participating in every part of a citizen's life; taxes, education, employment, healthcare, etc... But oh no! Not this. Typical toe-the-line talking point liberal.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:12 AM   #25
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I believe this is an ignorant,pandering move by Paul to capture a voting base he already has. What a waste of time and a promising political career.

You on the other hand appear to be piling on in your usual intellectually dishonest and hypocritical manner. You readily cheer Uncle Sam participating in every part of a citizen's life; taxes, education, employment, healthcare, etc... But oh no! Not this. Typical toe-the-line talking point liberal.
His dad introduced the same legislation countless times. I would be willing to bet that 75% of his supporters wanted abortion to be legal. It didn't stop them from supporting him.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:23 AM   #26
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His dad introduced the same legislation countless times. I would be willing to bet that 75% of his supporters wanted abortion to be legal. It didn't stop them from supporting him.
That was kind of my point. He isn't going to win over any new voters with this only alienate those that actually vote based on this issue. Plus we really have bigger things that need to be addressed, like carbon taxes on bicyclists.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:41 AM   #27
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I believe this is an ignorant,pandering move by Paul to capture a voting base he already has. What a waste of time and a promising political career.

You on the other hand appear to be piling on in your usual intellectually dishonest and hypocritical manner. You readily cheer Uncle Sam participating in every part of a citizen's life; taxes, education, employment, healthcare, etc... But oh no! Not this. Typical toe-the-line talking point liberal.
You again typecast based on your personal opinion of me.
I strongly support gun rights, want to kick the lazy shits off the government dole, think entitlement reform must be done, strong support of defense and Israel. Not exactly liberal toe the line liberalism.

I don't know what you mean by supporting government intrusion into our employment. Public education is all government run. Thats not a liberal idea.

Obamacare, guilty. My son has health insurance right now because of Obamacare. I don't have to worry if he's in a car wreck that he starts out life in major debt due to lack of insurance. I got a rebate check from my insurance company because they were overcharging us. No pre-exsisting conditions. Can't cancel your insurance if you get sick. Works for me.

And lastly
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:45 AM   #28
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I'm anxiously awaiting Rand's support for the social services that will support the newborn children.

Those who are staunchly pro-life and anti-social services undermine the entirety of their agenda.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:48 AM   #29
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That was kind of my point. He isn't going to win over any new voters with this only alienate those that actually vote based on this issue. Plus we really have bigger things that need to be addressed, like carbon taxes on bicyclists.
My point is anyone who is alienated by this type of move, would never support him regardless. Many social conservatives stayed home this election cycle because they couldn't support Romney. Many conservatives stayed home because they couldn't support Romney. Reagan created a coalition of Conservatives, Libertarians, and Evangelicals. That is what Rand Paul is trying to do. Most Libertarians accept the position that in order to have liberty, all life must be treated equally, including the unborn. I don't even agree with that, but I understand the position. As long as Rand Paul doesn't go Todd Akin on us, this won't hurt him.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:54 AM   #30
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If you're the kind of person who can justify murdering your defenseless unborn baby, please go ahead. Decreasing the number of children you can influence is a really good idea.
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