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Government cuts tuition assistance to soldiers... Congress gets a pay bonus

What the ****ing ****? This pisses me off immensely.

The government sees fit to cut tuition assistance for soldiers:
http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-rup...-cuts-1.211042

and Congress gets a bonus:
http://cnnradio.cnn.com/2013/03/08/c...-time-of-cuts/

How in the **** does that make sense?
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:35 PM   #31
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OK I have to ask, whats the story with the servicemen worship in this forum?

I mean they signed up for a job for which they are well compensated. It is potentially dangerous but probably no worse mortality than a 7-11 nite worker in the hood.

Why are they on a pedestal and worshiped by many as if they are gods walking the face of the earth? I appreciate their service but I appreciate the pilot of my plane when I fly too. What's the scoop?
Funny how it went to attacking republicans to attacking appreciation for the people who wear the uniform yet nothing about dems backing this bonus.

Well compensated?!?!?! An E-1 earns 18k per year to wear a uniform and risk his/her life. The most an enlisted soldier, who make up the bulk of the military, can EVER hope to make is 90k per year and that is at the highest rank available and only after *40* years of service. Don't tell me they are well compensated. Absolute horseshit.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp

Frankly... to compare them to an airline pilot is insulting. These are men and women who serve and swear an oath to protect the constitution which guarantee our personal rights. Whether you agree or disagree with what fights our government chooses to fight is beside the point.
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:44 PM   #32
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Yep.. some people don't get it. We sign a death sentence to the Government and depending how how you look at it we will die so you can watch cartoons and sleep in on the weekend. I wait for the day that we get ****ing lit up by another country and some crying mom comes up to me and says why didn't you protect my family. you wanna give me 2 shits.. I give you 2 shits.

Also, wanted to mention that a good portion of the commercial pilots are former military.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:45 AM   #33
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OK I have to ask, whats the story with the servicemen worship in this forum?

I mean they signed up for a job for which they are well compensated. It is potentially dangerous but probably no worse mortality than a 7-11 nite worker in the hood.

Why are they on a pedestal and worshiped by many as if they are gods walking the face of the earth? I appreciate their service but I appreciate the pilot of my plane when I fly too. What's the scoop?
You grew up with one of those moms that spit at Vietnam vets as they returned home didnt you?
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:26 AM   #34
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OK I have to ask, whats the story with the servicemen worship in this forum?

I mean they signed up for a job for which they are well compensated. It is potentially dangerous but probably no worse mortality than a 7-11 nite worker in the hood.

Why are they on a pedestal and worshiped by many as if they are gods walking the face of the earth? I appreciate their service but I appreciate the pilot of my plane when I fly too. What's the scoop?
I'm all in favor of the "a fair day's work gets a fair day's pay" angle, but have you seen how little servicemen and women get paid? My friends that I have in the military get lots of benefits (which they sorely need... healthcare and all that) and not all that much in salary. When you reduce the benefits, they aren't left with much at all, so they absolutely deserve more for the intensity and the amount of work that they put in.

And I would take that approach for any employee in any job. Either pay them REAL money for the work they do or keep their benefits. Don't cut into them.
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:33 AM   #35
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You grew up with one of those moms that spit at Vietnam vets as they returned home didnt you?
Check his age. He probably WAS one of the scumbags spitting on returning vets. Or at least revering them.
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:32 PM   #36
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I'm all in favor of the "a fair day's work gets a fair day's pay" angle, but have you seen how little servicemen and women get paid? My friends that I have in the military get lots of benefits (which they sorely need... healthcare and all that) and not all that much in salary. When you reduce the benefits, they aren't left with much at all, so they absolutely deserve more for the intensity and the amount of work that they put in.

And I would take that approach for any employee in any job. Either pay them REAL money for the work they do or keep their benefits. Don't cut into them.
Well thanks SNR for a semi-reasonable response. The "pay check" of a service man is the surface of the compensation as you point out. The benefits if you stay in for 20 years are sort of amazing.

I'm not in favor of cutting their benefits. I still don't understand the worship of all things military. They are doing a job. They are being compensated. They volunteered. Many stay in because the "real" job market looks too tough to crack. I get it is potentially dangerous.

I don't get why they are treated as if they walk on water. I'm very glad some choose to do this so we don't have to draft people. I don't understand how this translates to hero status just because "they served". Frankly its a thing that has almost never been a part of society until recently. During WWII there was a big surge in nationalism / military appreciation. But prior to that most people just served and went home to normal lives and that was it.

In the last 15-20 years its been like the political 3rd rail of discussions. NO criticism or negative talk is allowed about veterans in any context. Just seems weird, and of course such things are never allowed to be discussed with out shouting down the person making the comments.

So shout away or answer rationally it is your choice. I just don't get it.
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:33 PM   #37
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Check his age. He probably WAS one of the scumbags spitting on returning vets. Or at least revering them.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Check his age. He probably WAS one of the scumbags spitting on returning vets. Or at least revering them.
Id be full of spite to. If the recruiter told me they didnt take my kind in the service.
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Well thanks SNR for a semi-reasonable response. The "pay check" of a service man is the surface of the compensation as you point out. The benefits if you stay in for 20 years are sort of amazing.

I'm not in favor of cutting their benefits. I still don't understand the worship of all things military. They are doing a job. They are being compensated. They volunteered. Many stay in because the "real" job market looks too tough to crack. I get it is potentially dangerous.

I don't get why they are treated as if they walk on water. I'm very glad some choose to do this so we don't have to draft people. I don't understand how this translates to hero status just because "they served". Frankly its a thing that has almost never been a part of society until recently. During WWII there was a big surge in nationalism / military appreciation. But prior to that most people just served and went home to normal lives and that was it.

In the last 15-20 years its been like the political 3rd rail of discussions. NO criticism or negative talk is allowed about veterans in any context. Just seems weird, and of course such things are never allowed to be discussed with out shouting down the person making the comments.

So shout away or answer rationally it is your choice. I just don't get it.
I do not think anyone thinks they are gods or walk on water. They do however deserve your respect. They are far from overpaid and to make the simply asinine statement that a 7-11 worker is in just as much danger is just silly. Granted many never see battle but those who end up in battle face horrors that are unspeakable. How many 7-11 workers end up missing limbs? Troops that stand the line willing to die for your freedom while you sleep comfortably in your bed deserve your respect and I find it disappointing that would need to be explained to you~
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The benefits if you stay in for 20 years are sort of amazing.
"Amazing" as compared to what?
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I do not think anyone thinks they are gods or walk on water. They do however deserve your respect. They are far from overpaid and to make the simply asinine statement that a 7-11 worker is in just as much danger is just silly. Granted many never see battle but those who end up in battle face horrors that are unspeakable. How many 7-11 workers end up missing limbs? Troops that stand the line willing to die for your freedom while you sleep comfortably in your bed deserve your respect and I find it disappointing that would need to be explained to you~
This.

Even peacetime service isnt just some run of the mill nine to five job, many sacrifices are made not only by the person, but their family as well... a lot of time away from home, being on call 24/7, life threatening hazards during training etc.

Its pretty sad that Dave has such a low, uninformed opinion of it.
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Well thanks SNR for a semi-reasonable response. The "pay check" of a service man is the surface of the compensation as you point out. The benefits if you stay in for 20 years are sort of amazing.

I'm not in favor of cutting their benefits. I still don't understand the worship of all things military. They are doing a job. They are being compensated. They volunteered. Many stay in because the "real" job market looks too tough to crack. I get it is potentially dangerous.

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So shout away or answer rationally it is your choice. I just don't get it.
They said "yes" when 99% of the country said "no". Once they ship off, they must fulfill their end of a contract and can't just quit when things get tough, at least until their contract ends. The respect comes from that, it is not worship but deep seated gratitude that there are still those out there who are willing to give of themselves when most of their generation give nothing and expect everything.

Prior to WWII the thought of spitting on a soldier or protesting their return from war was unheard of. They were heroes and military service was held in high esteem even if most would not do it. Vietnam changed all that when morons spit on servicemen and women and protested their return because of the policies of their elected officials. That was a black mark on our society and one that as a nation we have collectively decided to never repeat, hence the "Hate the war, not the Soldier" mentality. That plays a large part in the reverence being paid to the servicemen and women of today. It is not hero worship.
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