*** OFFICIAL -SUNFLOWER SHOWDOWN- KSU vs. KU GAME THREAD***

[Mr_Tomahawk]

...within 24 hours of tip. Let's do this.

[kstater]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

KU's AdjO: 111.2
KSU's AdjO: 109.6

http://kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjOE

A lot closer than it was a few weeks ago obviously, but KU's is still better.

I wasn't using his algorithm, K-State has the highest PPP.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by kstater

I wasn't using his algorithm, K-State has the highest PPP.

How long until the grilling with Weber signs show up?

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

I got in on K-State when the line opened at opened at 9....it's down to 8. I don't expect we will win, but I don't see a double digit win for KU either.
Of course the way my luck runs this will be the night they decide to wake back up.

The line opened at ku -9?

[CJizzles]

KSU by 76.

[ChiTown]

Just got a last minute invite to go to the game tonight! Wheels up from Jabara Airport at 6pm.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Could Self hold a funeral for the team that played the last 3 games? It's worked before.

[WilliamInnerCircle]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Doc was years ahead of the trend in understanding how to play and beat KU which most B12 coaches have adapted over the last two years (slow and with as few possessions as possible). He never got himself an upset because of lack of talent, but it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying. Perhaps if he was lucky enough to face this particular version of the team, he would have gotten himself his own TCU victory.

I don't think Doc was ahead of any curve. He played it like Wooly played it. And Wooly had an AFH victory in 2005. But as soon as Doc got his "moral loss/victory" by playing them close he was hailed as a genius."He's a better coach than Rick Barnes". (That was also a great talking point)

Weber has also gotten a ton of the same credit that Doc got in those early seasons at NUbb. "He's got them competing" and Weber has them "running that motion offense" lauding him as some great coach.

Right now Weber has this team about where Frank would have it imo. The real question will be in the next two seasons when all these seniors are gone. I think Weber will be a huge failure because he recruits like shit. Just like Doc. Doc was great for one season at UTEP with Billy G's team. He parlayed that into a deal with NUbb. And fell flat on his face. Never finished better than .500 in league.

Doc Sadler was a poor coach and worse recruiter.

[Old Dog]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

The line opened at ku -9?

Yep.
Opened at 9, dropped to 8, and is now back up to 8.5
Money line is currently +320 for KSU and -380 for KU

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by WilliamInnerCircle

I don't think Doc was ahead of any curve.

He knew how to get his shitty teams playing competitive games against vastly superior teams which is more you can say for most of the shitty teams in the B12 over the last decade.

"He's a better coach than Rick Barnes". (That was also a great talking point)

I don't know about worse than Doc Sadler, but Rick Barnes has to be one of the most underachieving coaches in the game considering the major talent he's had to work with in Texas. And this year we're seeing what a Texas team coached by him is like without the same talent level as usual.

[WilliamInnerCircle]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

He knew how to get his shitty teams playing competitive games against vastly superior teams which is more you can say for most of the shitty teams in the B12 over the last decade.


I don't know about worse than Doc Sadler, but Rick Barnes has to be one of the most underachieving coaches in the game considering the major talent he's had to work with in Texas. And this year we're seeing what a Texas team coached by him is like without the same talent level as usual.

If playing competetive games is your goal, then I guess I could agree. But McNeck at ISU played competetive games at ISU when he was there. And Bdzexcvelic at CU played several "competetive game" against teams when he was there.

Is Rick Barnes underachieving? He's a reached a FF. Been to the tournament every year. Recruited like crazy - which is part of the job - at a true "Football" first university and been successful. His teams have flamed out in the 2nd round, but that can be attributed to the nature of the tourney.

And this year, Barnes got his lower talent team to nearly sneak away a victory against Kansas, no? But he doesn't get the same talking point respect as Doc?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by WilliamInnerCircle

If playing competetive games is your goal, then I guess I could agree. But McNeck at ISU played competetive games at ISU when he was there. And Bdzexcvelic at CU played several "competetive game" against teams when he was there.

Is Rick Barnes underachieving? He's a reached a FF. Been to the tournament every year. Recruited like crazy - which is part of the job - at a true "Football" first university and been successful. His teams have flamed out in the 2nd round, but that can be attributed to the nature of the tourney.

And this year, Barnes got his lower talent team to nearly sneak away a victory against Kansas, no? But he doesn't get the same talking point respect as Doc?

Barnes won't be in the tournament this year.

[WilliamInnerCircle]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Barnes won't be in the tournament this year.

That's true. But was he competetive?

[Bo's Pelini]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Doc was years ahead of the trend in understanding how to play and beat KU which most B12 coaches have adapted over the last two years (slow and with as few possessions as possible). He never got himself an upset because of lack of talent, but it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying. Perhaps if he was lucky enough to face this particular version of the team, he would have gotten himself his own TCU victory.

Umm Doc Sadler never beat KU because of his conservative style and lacj of being and x and os guy.

[PGM]

GREAT name for this series

[Mr_Tomahawk]

"CORNHUSKER"

Cool.