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The new high speed rail map that's been floating around recently
![]() High speed rail is moving forward in California, but progress is pretty stagnant around the rest of the country. Still, there are a lot of proposals out there, and when placed on one map, they form an impressive rail network. This map was put together by California Rail Map, led by Alfred Twu, which combined existing proposals from high speed rail advocacy groups around the US. Twu described his process for the Guardian: Instead of detailing construction phases and service speeds, I took a little artistic license and chose colors and linked lines to celebrate America's many distinct but interwoven regional cultures. The US High Speed Rail Association, a nonprofit trade association, predicts a network similar to this one could be in place by 2030. Transporation Secretary Ray LaHood has called for a large HSR network, saying it could link 80 percent of Americans within 25 years, for $500 billion. Based on this map, starting in Los Angeles, a high speed train could get to New York, with stops in Denver and Chicago, in well under 18 hours. Considering the significant funding and political will any large rail project needs, it's hard to imagine all this will be built. But Robert Cruickshank at the California High Speed Rail Blog argues just visualizing the network is a good thing: But before the Interstate Highway System was authorized, it had to first be conceptualized on a map. This map gets us closer to the goal of an interstate high speed rail system by showing us what it looks like. And envisioning such a system is the first step toward building it. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/map-o...#ixzz2KSS4Sw1Q |
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I did some checking on popular routes and the mid-range trip would be the best for me. 1. KC - St. Louis - 250 miles. For high speed rail that would take 1 hr 15 minutes. To fly that takes 30 minutes. For me to take the rail it would take me 1 hour to get up to KC and probably 30 minutes to board\security so the total trip time would be 2:45. To fly it takes me almost 2 hours to get to KCI plus you have to be there at least 1 hour prior to departure. I can drive that in that time frame for either option. Cost to fly: $250 round trip 2. KC - Chicago - 510 miles. High speed rail = 2:30 Flight: :50 minutes Cost to fly: $215 round trip 3. KC - Dallas - 555 miles. High Speed rail = 2:45 Flight: 1 hour Cost to fly: $190 round trip If rail could compete at those prices or better than I think it would be a viable option for many. |
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Why are people here trying to claim that air travel is any way convenient or preferable? I don't care how fast it takes to get you from point A to point B. People do realize that you are spending hours of your time just checking in, checking out, and waiting or in a wireless/internet blackout, right? And you gamble every single time that everything will be on time. Have you been on a train? You don't have rigorous bag screening procedures, you don't have long lines, you don't have long sprints to get to a gate, you can pack whatever you want (including food) and there typically aren't major baggage restrictions, and once you're on the train you can open your computer and sit down and relax... That's it. You've literally cut hours of hassle off. So yeah, if a plane gets you from point A to point B in 2 hours of flight time and a train can get me there in 5? You bet your ass I'm taking a train. And I'd save hundreds of dollars per trip. |
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This is why I don't get why midwesterners are so resistant to this travel. Especially if you're not a mega airport hub, you probably have to do a transfer flight. And that is all kinds of inconvenient. |
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The one thing though that we might disagree about is security. There will be the same restrictions with rail as there is with air and TSA will certainly be involved. |
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In fact it is probably pretty easy to derail a train, you could plant a bomb on one of the thousand + support columns. |
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Connect Cheyenne to Rapid City, SD, through SD, to Minneapolis.
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If you are in Houston and need to get to Mpls...good luck. KC to Des Moines? Forget it? Mpls to KC or Little Rock? Light rail would be in a tough spot. In order to spur ridership, they would have to undercut airfare pricing by a significant amount. If that were to happen, then the system would be bleeding red, and would be requiring government subsidy (i.e. your tax dollars) to stay afloat. Would riding it be cool? Sure. Worth the cost? I do not see it. Midwesterners like their cars. They like driving. They would rather spend their tax dollars on keeping the highways in good shape than to build a shiny fancy train that they will ride one, if that.
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In other words, he's discussing it, here on a discussion board. |
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That's all fine and good, but the poor and the middle class would really benefit from HSR travel. For one, they'd actually travel more. Which is objectively a positive thing economically and culturally. My preference would be for a national rail system much like the OP. When the private funding fails to offer travels that poorer Americans would benefit from, then perhaps public funding would supplement it. |
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I agree that we like our cars and driving but it appears at least our representatives don't like fixing our roads and bridges. Our infrastructure as whole in this country is graded as a D and over 10% of our bridges rated as deficient. |
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I also agree about our reps not caring about fixing and maintaining roads. They are not sexy projects for our tax dollars, although they should be, since they play a major roles in how we travel.
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As for your other point about cars vs. rails. If I remember, you are stuck on the idea because Minneapolis didn't accept it as inner-city train. The midwest is NOT a good market for that. But in terms of interstate travel... you can't say people don't want it just because they say they don't want it. That's the whole point of market disruption and innovation -- there are LOTS of products and innovations that weren't widely acceptable until they were introduced and socialized. |
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