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LT Luke Joekel 40 31.01%
DE Star Lotulelei 30 23.26%
LB Jarvis Jones 19 14.73%
Other (who, why?) 40 31.01%
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:23 PM  
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The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

Scenario (hypothetical):

It has become obvious that the Chiefs will pass on a QB with the top pick and will address the QB need (a) later in round 1, (b) in round 2, or (c) by signing a veteran. No trade down is planned either.

There seems to be the following three names on top of the draft. Among these three which one would you want the Chiefs to use their 1st pick on:

1- LT Luke Joekel (meaning Albert will walk)

2- DE Star Lotulelei (meaning T-Jax will be cut)

3- Jarvis Jones (meaning we are thinking transition to 43 soon)

4- Other (name and explain)

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This is not a Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson discussion. Keep that argument in the hundreds of other threads about it. This is about IF WE DON'T PICK A QB AT THE TOP! Just curious to know which of the picks mentioned makes more sense compared to the others IYO. If you are a staunch Geno fan, for example, this does not paint you as a traitor to the cause.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:15 AM   #106
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If we're not taking a QB, I want to draft the highest rated punter. With all the punting we're going to be doing, Colquitt will get tired.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:23 AM   #107
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I'm being absolutely serious. If someone could please show me something that I haven't seen in my own study of Geno Smith, please tell me. All I have seen is terrible footwork, and him hitting guys who were wide open. Honestly, he looked alot like the QB at the school where I coach at. All he did was benefit from a system. Never in his college career did he play in a system even remotely close to the West Coast that Reid runs. In fact, the Air Raid has never produced a Pro Bowl caliber QB. And the only QB out of the system who was taken 1st overall was TIM COUCH. Excuse me for not wanting that...
Okay. Get a saw and cut open your head so I can get inside and find out what you're not seeing.

That's a messy process, so go ahead and start without me. I'll be by real soon, don't worry
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:25 AM   #108
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I am becoming convinced that we are attracting Jaguar and Raiders fan trolls here trying to convince us to pass on Geno so that their teams can grab him.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:27 AM   #109
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Okay. Get a saw and cut open your head so I can get inside and find out what you're not seeing.

That's a messy process, so go ahead and start without me. I'll be by real soon, don't worry
How about you tell me what you ARE seeing? That's all I'm asking. But thus far, it seems that no one is able to tell me anything. All I've gotten is insults and other blabber
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How about you tell me what you ARE seeing? That's all I'm asking. But thus far, it seems that no one is able to tell me anything. All I've gotten is insults and other blabber
No. I'm not playing that ****ing game. Every time somebody like you comes along, it starts out nice with, "Geno Smith has a lightning quick release combined with excellent pocket presence, the two 100% necessary things to any great NFL QB." Then the other guy says, "See, I'm just not seeing it that way. K State Pinstripe two safeties never smiles diarrhea diarrhea."

You are beyond help if you think all of these QBs have a THIRD ROUND GRADE???? in "normal" draft classes. Really? You think Geno Smith is a 3rd round QB in 2011? 2010? You would rather draft Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow than Geno Smith? Are you for real for real? 2008? 2009? Those were shitty ****ing shallow QB classes. One or two guys and then cum in your face. 2007? 2006?

Even take 2012. After Luck and RGIII you're going to tell me that Ryan Tannehill looked more impressive in college than Geno Smith? Ryan Tannehill was the most boring top 10 QB to be drafted that I've ever seen. Brandon Weeden? BROCK OSWEILER? You'd rather have Osweiler than Geno?

That's why I want you to go first. I refuse to waste time typing out a long-winded argument FOR Geno when you're just going to shit on it with the usual replies.

Check out all the resources I mentioned in the OP of the Geno Smith thread. I see a QB with the foundation and the competitive nature it takes to be successful in the league, especially with a QB coach like Andy Reid. That's fine if you don't think that, but don't just come in here like every other dumb ass n00b Geno hater has and expect to be entertained and swept off your feet with nice, polite, informative posts that have the same information mentioned 20,000 times already.

Get it?
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:42 AM   #111
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If someone could please show me how Smith fits in to the West Coast, I would really appreciate it. What I see out of Geno Smith is a strong arm and playmaking ability, but I don't see him putting the ball in tight windows, and I don't see great technique, especially when it comes to his feet. He can be skittish in the pocket. And like I said earlier, his stat line is basically irrelevant because of the system he comes out of
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but I don't see him putting the ball in tight windows, and I don't see great technique... He can be skittish in the pocket.
See, I can't help somebody who is ****ing blind when it comes to this shit.

You're wrong and suck at watching football if you believe the stuff I outlined in your quoted post. Tell me why you think those things and maybe if I'm in a nice mood I'll engage you in the type of debate you're looking for. Until then, the answer is no. All I can say is your opinion is wrong.
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:23 AM   #113
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How about you tell me what you ARE seeing? That's all I'm asking. But thus far, it seems that no one is able to tell me anything. All I've gotten is insults and other blabber
There is an entire thread devoted to that. We are not going to rehash all that shit here just because some n00b demands it. JFC
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:29 AM   #114
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No. I'm not playing that ****ing game. Every time somebody like you comes along, it starts out nice with, "Geno Smith has a lightning quick release combined with excellent pocket presence, the two 100% necessary things to any great NFL QB." Then the other guy says, "See, I'm just not seeing it that way. K State Pinstripe two safeties never smiles diarrhea diarrhea."

You are beyond help if you think all of these QBs have a THIRD ROUND GRADE???? in "normal" draft classes. Really? You think Geno Smith is a 3rd round QB in 2011? 2010? You would rather draft Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow than Geno Smith? Are you for real for real? 2008? 2009? Those were shitty ****ing shallow QB classes. One or two guys and then cum in your face. 2007? 2006?

Even take 2012. After Luck and RGIII you're going to tell me that Ryan Tannehill looked more impressive in college than Geno Smith? Ryan Tannehill was the most boring top 10 QB to be drafted that I've ever seen. Brandon Weeden? BROCK OSWEILER? You'd rather have Osweiler than Geno?

That's why I want you to go first. I refuse to waste time typing out a long-winded argument FOR Geno when you're just going to shit on it with the usual replies.

Check out all the resources I mentioned in the OP of the Geno Smith thread. I see a QB with the foundation and the competitive nature it takes to be successful in the league, especially with a QB coach like Andy Reid. That's fine if you don't think that, but don't just come in here like every other dumb ass n00b Geno hater has and expect to be entertained and swept off your feet with nice, polite, informative posts that have the same information mentioned 20,000 times already.

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See, I can't help somebody who is ****ing blind when it comes to this shit.

You're wrong and suck at watching football if you believe the stuff I outlined in your quoted post. Tell me why you think those things and maybe if I'm in a nice mood I'll engage you in the type of debate you're looking for. Until then, the answer is no. All I can say is your opinion is wrong.

A) I would not have drafted a QB as highly as alot of teams did in several of the years you mentioned. I sure as hell never would have taken Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy, or any other spread/veer QB for a West Coast system. Tannehill I wouldn't have taken until the late third at the earliest. I never would have drafted Cam Newton at 100, let alone 1. I'm also extremely picky with my QBs. If a QB isn't at least as smart, if not smarter than I his offensive coordinator, I don't consider him to be the best option. In fact, there are only 3 QBs in the league that I would even come close to considering at 1 overall.


B) I personally don't feel like the QB position should be valued as highly as it is. I'm a big believer in building teams from the trenches out. Any QB can succeed if he has 5 seconds to throw the ball and a strong running game. Case in point, Kyle Orton.

C) I'm not denying the kid has talent. I just don't think that he is a day 1 starter. And that's what this team needs desperately. I think that he needs time to adjust to both the center/QB exchange and getting reads from under center, where the view is much more limited. I also don't like that on several of the dropbacks in that video from the OP of the Geno thread, I see a wind up. The ball should never drop below his shoulder, which it does on about 30% of the throws in the first few minutes. Also, I have issues with the fact that Smith rarely took more than a 1 step drop. There isn't much showing a 3, 5, or 7 step drop like he will be routinely asked to do in the West Coast system.

D) I'm not denying that he can hit a mostly open receiver. What I doubt is the throws into double coverage and into the sideline against high quality CBs. I haven't seen that kind of ability. Not saying he doesn't have it, I just haven't seen it.

E) I don't know what kind of head the kid has on his shoulders. I don't know how smart he is, football and otherwise. I don't know if he can hold up in tough situations (mentioned in the interview posted in the draft Geno thread), and I don't know if he can succeed in adverse conditions. I also don't know how well this kid can handle adversity.


Basically what I'm saying is that there are alot of things that we as fans can't know about this kid to be 95% certain that he will succeed in the NFL, and more specifically in the West Coast offense. And I don't like picking unknown quantities. If I were building a franchise, I would be painfully conservative. I understand its not the "modern" way of doing things, but its been working for the past 92 years.
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Guru, that was a response to SNR's 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. Had no bearing on the actual Geno argument. Risk has nothing to do with it. Get with the program bro
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Guru, that was a response to SNR's 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. Had no bearing on the actual Geno argument. Risk has nothing to do with it. Get with the program bro
No that was a response to the whole damn thing. I suppose you think we should just stick with Cassel too because there are just no QBs worth a damn in the draft. We have the number one pick. Deal with it. If we trade back and still get a QB fine. If we trade back too far and don't get a single decent QB then we are still in the same shit we always are. But yes, lets build that line up like we do almost every damn year and continue to have nothing to show for it because we don't have a damn QB worth a shit.

Same story different year. Play it safe in the draft and ignore the real problem.
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Like I said earlier, I think we should take the sure thing at 1.1. Be that Joeckel or Milliner, I honestly don't care. There's a need at both spots (assuming Albert is gone. But that's another story). We take our QB at 2.2, where there will still be alot of good players available. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if even Smith were still available. The only QB needy teams in the top 10 all have more pressing needs (Raiders-DL, Eagles-OL, Cards-OL, Bills-LB/WR), and past that, there aren't really any teams that desperately need a QB. The only question mark really is the Jags at 1.2/2.1. Its safer, but it also will probably have the better end result
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Like I said earlier, I think we should take the sure thing at 1.1. Be that Joeckel or Milliner, I honestly don't care. There's a need at both spots (assuming Albert is gone. But that's another story). We take our QB at 2.2, where there will still be alot of good players available. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if even Smith were still available. The only QB needy teams in the top 10 all have more pressing needs (Raiders-DL, Eagles-OL, Cards-OL, Bills-LB/WR), and past that, there aren't really any teams that desperately need a QB. The only question mark really is the Jags at 1.2/2.1. Its safer, but it also will probably have the better end result
Well, all I can say is probably about 90% of CP disagrees with you that there will be any of the top 4 QBs left when our second pick arrives.
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Who is gonna take them? The Jets are stuck with Sanchez for one more year because of his contract, the Eagles must draft OL if their offense wants to go anywhere, the Raiders are A) still scared from the Russell shitstorm and B) really need to improve their defense, the Bills might, the Jags might. And it doesn't matter whose behind center in Arizona if they don't have anyone who can block. And Bruce Arians knows that. The Browns literally just used a 1 on a QB, and everyone else is fairly set at the QB spot. I see at most 2 being taken in the first, but I seriously think that most teams will wait. We might have to jump up to 28-31 to get our guy if the Jags pass at 1.2, but I don't think we'll need to. But that's apparantly just me
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