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Old 01-31-2013, 08:54 PM  
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Why do people like Chris Christie?

I've never seen this guy say anything thoughtful and he always seems angry. Why is he so appealing to confused peopled like Kotter?
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:04 AM   #61
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Stopped reading there. Your name-calling and assumptions prove you don't have much of an argument.
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Old 02-02-2013, 02:04 AM   #62
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Cool. Then it's a good thing conservatives stood their ground on entitlements. And then ended up with a compromise that didn't address entitlements one iota.
Nothing was going to be done on entitlements either way. Each side was going to stand their ground until the other side caved. Republicans caved. So the problem is that Republicans didn't stand their ground on entitlements. Those Republicans aren't conservatives.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:52 AM   #63
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Nothing was going to be done on entitlements either way. Each side was going to stand their ground until the other side caved. Republicans caved. So the problem is that Republicans didn't stand their ground on entitlements. Those Republicans aren't conservatives.
That is total BS and goes against everything politics and good business sense should be about. You are completely wrong. THe problem wasn't that the Republicans didn't stand their ground, it's that throughout the entire process, all they did was stand their ground instead of finding ways to negotiate concessions. And that is the entire problem with politics and the thing that really bothers me about the tea party movement. Their ideas are right, but then they get pissed when they don't completely get the way. That's NOT good politics. Good politics is about good negotiation, understanding that when you're in a losing battle, negotiating losing an inch is far better than standing your ground and losing a mile.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:28 AM   #64
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That is total BS and goes against everything politics and good business sense should be about. You are completely wrong. THe problem wasn't that the Republicans didn't stand their ground, it's that throughout the entire process, all they did was stand their ground instead of finding ways to negotiate concessions. And that is the entire problem with politics and the thing that really bothers me about the tea party movement. Their ideas are right, but then they get pissed when they don't completely get the way. That's NOT good politics. Good politics is about good negotiation, understanding that when you're in a losing battle, negotiating losing an inch is far better than standing your ground and losing a mile.
Ideologues simply refuse to understand what is intuitive to reasonable folks.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:41 AM   #65
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That is total BS and goes against everything politics and good business sense should be about. You are completely wrong. THe problem wasn't that the Republicans didn't stand their ground, it's that throughout the entire process, all they did was stand their ground instead of finding ways to negotiate concessions. And that is the entire problem with politics and the thing that really bothers me about the tea party movement. Their ideas are right, but then they get pissed when they don't completely get the way. That's NOT good politics. Good politics is about good negotiation, understanding that when you're in a losing battle, negotiating losing an inch is far better than standing your ground and losing a mile.
Got Damn ****ing right! REP! I agree with what you're saying, except I dont think the tea party is ever right lol...
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:50 AM   #66
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That is total BS and goes against everything politics and good business sense should be about. You are completely wrong. THe problem wasn't that the Republicans didn't stand their ground, it's that throughout the entire process, all they did was stand their ground instead of finding ways to negotiate concessions. And that is the entire problem with politics and the thing that really bothers me about the tea party movement. Their ideas are right, but then they get pissed when they don't completely get the way. That's NOT good politics. Good politics is about good negotiation, understanding that when you're in a losing battle, negotiating losing an inch is far better than standing your ground and losing a mile.
You are wrong. Democrats were not going to, and will not negotiate on entitlement reform or real spending cuts. By standing ground, the Republicans at least got concessions from the Democrats on tax increases.

I would have much rather gone off the fiscal cliff. I believe that if one person's taxes go up, everyone's should. Everyone should feel the burden of this government's spending problem. It is the only way that people will wake up and stop electing these big-spending politicians.

Negotiating is what has got us in this mess. Negotiation and compromise has and will always result in more spending and more government. The inability for people to understand this simple fact astounds me.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:27 PM   #67
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You are wrong. Democrats were not going to, and will not negotiate on entitlement reform or real spending cuts. By standing ground, the Republicans at least got concessions from the Democrats on tax increases.

I would have much rather gone off the fiscal cliff. I believe that if one person's taxes go up, everyone's should. Everyone should feel the burden of this government's spending problem. It is the only way that people will wake up and stop electing these big-spending politicians.

Negotiating is what has got us in this mess. Negotiation and compromise has and will always result in more spending and more government. The inability for people to understand this simple fact astounds me.
Right. Negotation for more government got us into this mess. That's a pretty nice oversimplification.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:26 PM   #68
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Right. Negotation for more government got us into this mess. That's a pretty nice oversimplification.
Duh...that is WHY he calls himself Dimented Logic....he's obviously fuggin' stupid AND demented.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:48 PM   #69
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Back to Chris Christie.

His appeal is that he's bluntly fiscally conservative, while being sane on social issues and cognizant of an person on the other side of the aisle who is being reasonable in trying times.

While Christie's plaudits for Obama down the stretch might have been the last nails in Romney's coffin, I don't hold any grudges. Guy was in a tough patch and state/federal cooperation was crucial.

People are giving less and less of a shit about social issues, and just want a guy who's going to be a right bastard on spending. Christie is right up that alley and is a charismatic, emphatic, articulate, man for those times.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:24 AM   #70
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Right. Negotation for more government got us into this mess. That's a pretty nice oversimplification.
When Republicans want to shrink government and Democrats want to grow government, they always agree to grow government, just not as much as the Democrats wanted. When is compromise going to end with agreement to shrink government, just not as much as the Republicans wanted? It never will, because most Republicans support the idea of giving an inch to not lose a mile. We've been giving inches for so long, that we've lost more than a mile.

This country needs another president like Grover Cleveland.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:18 PM   #71
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Dogma and rigid ideological extemism is not the same as "values." The only values you seem to have is a naive and misguided faith that anarchy masquerading as "libertarianism" is a cogent and realistic approach managing our nation.
Managing our nation? We're supposed to be freeŚnot managed.
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When Republicans want to shrink government and Democrats want to grow government, they always agree to grow government, just not as much as the Democrats wanted. When is compromise going to end with agreement to shrink government, just not as much as the Republicans wanted? It never will, because most Republicans support the idea of giving an inch to not lose a mile. We've been giving inches for so long, that we've lost more than a mile.

This country needs another president like Grover Cleveland.
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When Republicans want to shrink government and Democrats want to grow government, they always agree to grow government, just not as much as the Democrats wanted. When is compromise going to end with agreement to shrink government, just not as much as the Republicans wanted? It never will, because most Republicans support the idea of giving an inch to not lose a mile. We've been giving inches for so long, that we've lost more than a mile.

This country needs another president like Grover Cleveland.
It doesn't change the fact that you tried to copy-cut-paste an argument to fit what we are talking about.

The economy didn't crash because of government spending. If anything, they weren't active enough in regulating financial markets as the private sector started gambling with derivatives and in protecting consumers from horrible lending practices.
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Back to Chris Christie.

His appeal is that he's bluntly fiscally conservative, while being sane on social issues and cognizant of an person on the other side of the aisle who is being reasonable in trying times.

While Christie's plaudits for Obama down the stretch might have been the last nails in Romney's coffin, I don't hold any grudges. Guy was in a tough patch and state/federal cooperation was crucial.

People are giving less and less of a shit about social issues, and just want a guy who's going to be a right bastard on spending. Christie is right up that alley and is a charismatic, emphatic, articulate, man for those times.
Exactly.

And he's passionate enough in his fiscal conservative beliefs to make a forceful presentation.

Seeing at where we'll be in 2016 he'll destroy any democratic candidate.
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