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Old 01-29-2013, 05:58 AM  
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Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6212845

Pretty good stuff in here guys. Sorry if Q.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:24 PM   #181
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I'll take a guy with elite accuracy and timing and a good to great arm, than a guy with an elite cannon and questionable accuracy.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:25 PM   #182
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Weinke and Reid can take care of that.
If, according to George Toma and Gil Brandt, Andy Reid can fix Matt Cassel...then he should be able to have Geno killing fans in the stands from 95+ yards on a rope.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:31 PM   #183
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i have no doubt geno would be in the top half of the league fixing his footwork.

Elite arm strength would be Kaep, vick, stafford, rodgers, cutler, luck, flacco
i think next level would be eli, big ben, freeman, tannehill, rg3.
Think geno could be in the next level maybe just under those guys.

I'm not going to lie i would love to have someone with elite arm strength and accuracy, but would rather have above average arm and accuracy like others have said. Elite is just cool for that wow factor.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:34 PM   #184
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IMO, arm strength is a little overblown at times. Yeah, you have to have it, to an extent, but it isn't the end all be all.


Now you can't be Pennington, that just won't cut it.

I think Geno could, with the lower body tweets and better mechanics, easily get into the upper half, but he just doesn't have the physical skill some of those guys do.
Get into the upper half?

Which 16 are above him WITHOUT THE TWEAKS?
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:35 PM   #185
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"Before and after the draft"
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:35 PM   #186
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I might be inclined to retract my top ten comment and push it back to top 15 as it sits...with work on his lower body, there is no reason to think he can't jump up one group and be in the op ten because I don't think there is a big difference between his arm and Rodgers'.

Show me te guys on that list that CLEARLY have a stronger arm than Geno.
When Geno isn't using his legs correctly - these guys are all harder throwers than Geno:

Tannehill
Brady
Flacco
Weeden
Rothlisberger
Luck
Gabbert
Eli
RG3
Cutler
Stafford
Rodgers
Newton
Freeman
Kaepernick

I think you're mixing his potential with what he actually does.

He has the talent to put himself above 1/2 the guys on that list, but when he's arm throwing and not driving with his legs, he's just another Bradford.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:36 PM   #187
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Arm strength is probably the most undervalued quality in terms of modern analysis of the position.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:39 PM   #188
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Arm strength is probably the most undervalued quality in terms of modern analysis of the position.
It can be pretty overrated as well though.

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Old 01-29-2013, 08:40 PM   #189
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When Geno isn't using his legs correctly - these guys are all harder throwers than Geno:

Tannehill
Brady
Flacco
Weeden
Rothlisberger
Luck
Gabbert
Eli
RG3
Cutler
Stafford
Rodgers
Newton
Freeman
Kaepernick

I think you're mixing his potential with what he actually does.

He has the talent to put himself above 1/2 the guys on that list, but when he's arm throwing and not driving with his legs, he's just another Bradford.
Those things (throwing without proper mechanics from top to bottom) can be said about nearly every single quarterback in the NFL. I think it's fair to say that without tweaks, he is top half of the league in arm strength. Now, should we break down his accuracy so we can find out where he comes in as an overall thrower?

I probably overrate him there, too.
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IF he consistently gets his footwork where it needs to be, I'd put him about on par with Eli or Luck, maybe Roethlisberger.


Which is certainly adequate, hell more than adequate, it's perfect. It seems alot of those guys who have rockets struggle with touch and accuracy.
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Those things can be said about nearly every single quarterback in the NFL. I think it's fair to say that without tweaks, he is top half of the league in arm strength. Now, should we break down his accuracy so we can find out where he comes in as an overall thrower?

I probably overrate him there, too.
When he flips his hips and doesn't drive? No, he certainly isn't.
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Arm strength is probably the most undervalued quality in terms of modern analysis of the position.
I think it went from wildly overrated to wildly underrated.

I don't recall who, maybe Duncan, that pointed out that Geno has good arm strength but not so great so that he can make all throws from all angles and I think that's a perfect way to put it.

Guys like Cutler and Stafford can just rip the ball with mechanics falling to shit and a maelstrom swirling around them. Meanwhile a guy like Cassel could throw a ball fairly hard if he had absolutely perfect mechanics and a clear pocket to step into and fire.

Geno isn't nearly as bad as Cassel but he does need his mechanics to get a piss rocket out there. But unlike a lot of guys in this league, when he has his legs under him, he can get you a hell of a fastball into tightly closing windows.
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hey DJ have you studied much on the other QB's? mainly barkley? your thoughts on barkley? he's probably my front runner for QB but thats just me. I think his arm strength is under estimated as he throws alot of touch passes. Seen him rifle them in there when needed. He's at IMG aswell isn't he?
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After this conversation, I anxiously await us taking him and seeing his improvement under a QB guru like Reid that knows what to look for and how to coach the flaws out.
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