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Old 01-09-2013, 03:17 PM  
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Obama to issue executive order regarding guns?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ntrol-n1485645

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Vice President Joe Biden is meeting with victims of gun violence today. Speaking with reporters beforehand, Biden said President Obama may use an executive order to push through more gun control and Second Amendment restrictions. More from the Weekly Standard.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

We knew this was coming. The White House has been saying for a month that they are acting "quickly" on new gun control measures. Senator Dianne Feinstein's sweeping new gun control legislation hasn't even been introduced yet and Obama isn't the kind of president who has shown a willingness to wait on Congress.

If Obama pushes through new regulations using executive powers, the process will unfold in different parts. After an order is signed, the Department of Justice led by Attorney General Eric Holder, will be in charge of enforcement through the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. Now, how far the order will go is the big question. You can bet it will ban semi-automatic rifles and large ammunition magazines, but how Obama grandfathers in old, lawfully purchases semi-automatic rifles remains unknown. Will he require citizens who already own these weapons to be fingerprinted as Feinstein's bill requires? Or will he go so far as confiscation as New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has suggested? Time will tell.
Can the SCOTUS overturn an executive order? (at work and don't hav ethe time to look it up)
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:52 AM   #196
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DHS already runs mock active shooter scenarios at schools. I know these EO's aren't specific, but I would guess that DHS will be more involved than ever.
I was right. It didn't take Manet Napolitano long to announce it. The DHS will expand its role in our every day lives.

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DHS to 'Expand and Formalize Coordination' on Gun Control Efforts
1:09 PM, JAN 16, 2013 • BY MICHAEL WARREN

Janet Napolitano, head of the Department of Homeland Security, released a statement Wednesday saying she is "proud to support" the Obama administration's efforts to "combat gun violence in our country." Here's more from Napolitano's statement:

In the aftermath of the tragic Newtown shooting, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), together with the Department of Justice (DOJ), and the FBI have worked to identify measures that could be taken to reduce the risk of mass casualty shootings. In the coming days, DHS will expand and formalize coordination of ongoing efforts intended to prevent future mass casualty shootings, improve preparedness, and to strengthen security and resilience in schools and other potential targets. DHS will work with partners at all levels of government, to address five critical areas intended to reduce the risk of mass casualty shootings in the United States: Prevention, Protection, Response, Education, and Research/Evaluation. DHS will also work with law enforcement to refresh, expand and prioritize the implementation of nationwide public awareness efforts such as the “If You See Something, Say Something™” campaign. This is a critical issue that requires immediate attention and I look forward to supporting the President and this Administration as we move ahead.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:00 PM   #197
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I'm fine with all of this. He's not punishing responsible gun owners....although it seems like a bunch of nothing to me. Is he just doing this so he can say he did something?

Also, I wouldn't have been opposed to the universal background checks.
It is all he can do via EO.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:16 PM   #198
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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ntrol-n1485645



Can the SCOTUS overturn an executive order? (at work and don't hav ethe time to look it up)
Yes, but I believe the Scotus has only done so 2-3 times.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:16 PM   #199
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I'm fine with all of this. He's not punishing responsible gun owners....although it seems like a bunch of nothing to me. Is he just doing this so he can say he did something?

Also, I wouldn't have been opposed to the universal background checks.
Yep, so far he gets a passing grade as far as his actions.


The garbage he said about "assault weapons" and congress, though.........
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:41 PM   #200
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So basically the executive order can be overturned by the SC or if congress passes a law conflicting with the executive order. Chances of that are slim.

This is friggin' scary.
I hope that was sarcasm. Have you even read the EO's? Just a bunch of useless political pandering and not the slightest infringement on the 2nd amendment or will have no effect on legal gun owners.

Just a bunch of BS packaged as action to placate some people who want something done after Sandy Hook.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:58 PM   #201
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I hope that was sarcasm. Have you even read the EO's? Just a bunch of useless political pandering and not the slightest infringement on the 2nd amendment or will have no effect on legal gun owners.

Just a bunch of BS packaged as action to placate some people who want something done after Sandy Hook.
I didn't see the EO's until after the post. It was not sarcasm. I wasn't aware of what all His Majesty would or could do via EO. Basically, I agree totally with your second paragraph.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:11 PM   #202
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16 might be a problem eventually.

I agreed with almost everything he said. I also believe that the assult weapon ban isn't going to happen, since he kept mentioning "congress" and how the American people need to push them.

He doesn't have the votes, and he knows it.
He doesn't want this to come to a vote. At least Harry Reid is begging him not to push it to a vote.

At least 5 Dem seats in play this cycle could be immediately in peril if Reid makes those guys vote yes on a gun control measure. Hell, they would be sweating it even if he threatened to get it to the floor. Bipartisan agreement in opposition to the President in the Senate would be an interesting thing to behold. Interesting indeed.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:59 PM   #204
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I hope that was sarcasm. Have you even read the EO's? Just a bunch of useless political pandering and not the slightest infringement on the 2nd amendment or will have no effect on legal gun owners.

Just a bunch of BS packaged as action to placate some people who want something done after Sandy Hook.
that's not entirely true. If what is posted in the other thread on this forum listing out the EO directives...some seem very strange around the ACA.
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Just a bunch of useless political pandering

Just a bunch of BS packaged as action to placate some people
Kind of sums up Barry's agenda.

That and pissing away trillions of dollars.
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