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Old 12-07-2012, 10:22 AM  
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Tyson Jackson goes from underachiever to newfound force

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Maybe, just maybe, in his fourth season, Chiefs defensive end Tyson Jackson is turning into the impact player the club envisioned when he was the third overall pick of the 2009 NFL Draft.

No longer does Jackson head for the sidelines when the Chiefs go in to their nickel defense. In the last two games, against Denver and Carolina, he teamed with rookie tackle Dontari Poe as the two interior linemen on passing downs.

And Jackson responded with two of the most productive games of what has otherwise been considered an underachieving career.

In Sunday's 27-21 win over Carolina, Jackson matched his season's best with five tackles, recorded his second sack of the season and batted down a third-down pass by Cam Newton on the most crucial fourth-quarter defensive series of the game.

A week earlier, Jackson had three tackles and took down Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning, who was attempting a pass - but because Manning was credited with a 1-yard rush, statistically it was not ruled a sack.

"Tyson has been good all year," Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said. "A lot of times people are watching the ball, and they don't always watch what goes on in the trenches. Tyson has always been a consistent player for us, and every time he goes out there, he does what we ask him to do, and he competes very well.

"We're just asking him to do a little bit more, and he's doing more."
Crennel said he decided to utilize Jackson instead of Allen Bailey on passing downs because teams started running the ball successfully against the nickel defense.

Consequently, Jackson participated in a season-most 55 snaps - or 86 percent of the Chiefs' defensive plays against Denver. In fact, Jackson has seen his most action of the season in the last two weeks. He was in on 73 percent of the team's plays against Carolina. Twice this year, he had been on the field for less than 50 percent of the plays.
"It's awesome, getting sacks and getting quarterback pressures," said Jackson, whose two sacks this season matched the total for his first three seasons. "It's definitely a different feeling than just holding those offensive linemen up so our linebackers can make plays.
"But to be quite honest, I'm a team player. Whatever I can to help our team out, I'm all for it."

In the base 3-4 front, Jackson's primary responsibility is to do the dirty work and occupy blockers so inside linebackers are free to make tackles. But as a down lineman in the nickel, Jackson is free to go after the passer, even if he doesn't get the sack.

Jackson's pressure up the middle against the Broncos, when he mauled Denver center Dan Koppen, kept Manning from stepping up in the pocket and allowed Justin Houston to pick up a sack.

"I understood my role in the defense," Jackson said. "They had guys on the team who could affect the quarterback better than I could at particular times on third down. I know for sure I was a first- and second-down type of guy who could go out there and stop the run. I'm trying to embrace whatever the coaches throw my way right now to help our defense get some three-and-outs and some stops to get our offense the ball.
"The sacks are nice, but I'd trade those to get a win."

The win over Carolina came in the aftermath of last Saturday's murder-suicide by linebacker Jovan Belcher, and now the Chiefs have the difficult task of coping with their grief while preparing for this Sunday's trip to Cleveland.

"I think the win means a lot more than just a win for us," Jackson said after the Carolina game. "Emotionally, it is helping us a little more. . . . It was enough to help us ease our minds. Everybody relied on the man next to him, and that's how we were able to get the job done."

It's uncertain if the Chiefs will be relying on Jackson, 26, much longer. They restructured his contract in the offseason, and his base salary for 2013 would be $14.72 million, with $3.22 guaranteed. So unless the two sides work out another new deal, Jackson may not be in Kansas City next year.

"I'll leave that up to the front office and my agent and let them take care of the business part of the deal," said Jackson. "I would love to be back. I really love the Chiefs, I love the organization, I love the fans.

"This year has been a rough year, but we still have a few games to go to get some wins under our belt and finish our season on a bright note."
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:54 PM   #61
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I wouldn't hate to keep him on the roster for league min.

Actually, I would. I want some real DEs that can play in our base front and rush the passer. If T-Jack can show that he can do that in a 1-gap, I wouldn't be against restructuring. However, I don't want anymore starting DEs that can't get a push in our base front. Period.
I wonder how our Defense would look if a new DC/HC comes in here and restructures us to a 4-3. Do we put Tamba and Houston as down DE's, or keep them at OLB?...It would be interesting.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:55 PM   #62
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I'm sorry if you can't see what's right in front of you.

That's not a special play by Tyson Jackson. He did nothing particularly good there. He was the benefactor of pressure generated by other players.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:56 PM   #63
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Glad he is playing better but still needs a contract that fits his production.

which is 50% less than it is now ... maybe less, i haven't checked the going rate lately.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:57 PM   #64
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Glad he is playing better but still needs a contract that fits his production.

which is 50% less than it is now ... maybe less, i haven't checked the going rate lately.
The going rate for players of his caliber is somewhere between the bench and a job at Wal-Mart.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:59 PM   #65
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I wonder how our Defense would look if a new DC/HC comes in here and restructures us to a 4-3. Do we put Tamba and Houston as down DE's, or keep them at OLB?...It would be interesting.
at ends imo

some teams run with smaller DE's

2 big run stuffing monsters in the middle
2 smaller pass rushing DE's on the outside

your big DT's just need to be aware of when teams try to run 'under' the DE's shooting up field.


Hali,Poe,Powe,Houston

we need help at LB though
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:59 PM   #66
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I'm sorry if you can't see what's right in front of you.

That's not a special play by Tyson Jackson. He did nothing particularly good there. He was the benefactor of pressure generated by other players.
and im sorry that you obviously cant read the words that i typed.


i never once said it was a special play.

i guess next time any other player gets the same type of sack you will be here saying the same things... right?
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I wonder how our Defense would look if a new DC/HC comes in here and restructures us to a 4-3. Do we put Tamba and Houston as down DE's, or keep them at OLB?...It would be interesting.
If we were to switch to a 4-3, I'd like to see this

DL: Hali-Powe-Poe-draft pick/FA
LBs: DJ-draft pick/FA-Houston. You could keep DJ in the middle if you wanted I suppose.

Ideally, I'd like to switch to a Phillips 3-4 and look like this

DL: Either DraftPick/FA/Jackson-Powe/Poe/FA-Poe/DraftPick
LBS: Hali-draftpick/FA-DJ-Houston.

Either switch is going to require us getting at least 1 pass rusher via the draft or FA. If we switch to a 1-gap, we maintain continuity with our LBs, and the difficulties for Poe decrease dramatically IMO. Additionally, there is a very very slim chance that Jackson improves in a 1-gap. Doubtful but stranger things have happened.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:00 PM   #68
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What's his pass rush stats? Like how many times has he had a chance to rush the QB? How many pressures does he have?

People are saying he would be much better in a 1 gap, which is dumb.
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The going rate for players of his caliber is somewhere between the bench and a job at Wal-Mart.
that's just being silly

he was drafted too high and is being pay too much but he's still productive for what we are asking him to do.

looks like he MIGHT be expanding his usability to something other than a running stuff 3-4 DE too.


always have to be aware of better play in contract years though
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i never once said it was a special play.
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Then we are in agreement, and this whole debate between you and I was pointless.

Good day, dipshit.
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What's his pass rush stats? Like how many times has he had a chance to rush the QB? How many pressures does he have?

People are saying he would be much better in a 1 gap, which is dumb.
I don't think anybody is saying that.

Some said that with Dorsey, which was quickly debunked.
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If we were to switch to a 4-3, I'd like to see this

DL: Hali-Powe-Poe-draft pick/FA
LBs: DJ-draft pick/FA-Houston. You could keep DJ in the middle if you wanted I suppose.

Ideally, I'd like to switch to a Phillips 3-4 and look like this

DL: Either DraftPick/FA/Jackson-Powe/Poe/FA-Poe/DraftPick
LBS: Hali-draftpick/FA-DJ-Houston.

Either switch is going to require us getting at least 1 pass rusher via the draft or FA. If we switch to a 1-gap, we maintain continuity with our LBs, and the difficulties for Poe decrease dramatically IMO. Additionally, there is a very very slim chance that Jackson improves in a 1-gap. Doubtful but stranger things have happened.
I don't see Jackson improving with a gap assignment makeover, either. I do, though (given that he has improved in the 2-gap scheme) think that it would benefit Poe.
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I don't think anybody is saying that.

Some said that with Dorsey, which was quickly debunked.
I remember Kevin Keitzman (yeah shocker I know) saying he has the athletic ability but is asked to stop the run far more than the pass and that a 1 gap would make him successful.

Personally, I think we've see his ceiling. No way we keep him for 17 million next season.
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I don't see Jackson improving with a gap assignment makeover, either. I do, though (given that he has improved in the 2-gap scheme) think that it would benefit Poe.
Totally agree. It was nice of Crennel/Pioli to get him some reps playing 2-gap for us though before they are kicked the **** out of the door.

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I remember Kevin Keitzman (yeah shocker I know) saying he has the athletic ability but is asked to stop the run far more than the pass and that a 1 gap would make him successful.

Personally, I think we've see his ceiling. No way we keep him for 17 million next season.
None of the radio guys here in KC know anything about football.

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