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Old 01-23-2011, 10:58 AM  
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Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.


Some of you are AR shooters Im sure. Im looking at a Colt 6920. Will be my first AR. Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it. Any feedback on that weapon?



Anyone else been in a buy/sell/trade mood with hardware?

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Old 11-21-2012, 10:10 PM   #2701
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I have a Swiss Karabiner model 1911. It was the precursor to the k31 and is more rare, but very similar. Most people couldnt tell them apart.

I love it. It shoots fantastic, and frankly no company could build that rifle today for under a grand. It really is a swiss watch of a rifle. I highly recommend grabbing one or a k31. The k31 has a little shorter bolt throw, which helps maintain cheek weld. I paid $250. You can get a k31 for $300 regularly.

The results speak for themselves too. K31, k11, and swedish mausers always win the old bolt gun military rifle divisions at camp perry.

The only complaints I have are that peep sights are vastly superior to tangent sights. There are diopters available for the swiss rifles, but they cost more than I paid for the rifle. It is also a pain to mount a scope. A swiss rifle with diopter sights would be a formidable rifle. Ive shot good groups out tp 300 yards with mine, but I am sure I could halve them with peep sights.
I liked to have one. But its just way down the list right now. Choo choo train shop needs some new tooling. Got a 9 inch South-bend I could borrow for about 6 months?
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:13 PM   #2702
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:51 PM   #2703
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FN 57 is incredible. Definitely my next purchase.



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Old 11-21-2012, 10:58 PM   #2704
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FN 57 is incredible. Definitely my next purchase.



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Very Interesting. Never heard of the 5.7x28 before

The 5.7x28 is a relatively new round, compared to the 9mm and .45acp. One of the features of the 5.7x28 is the ability to defeat ballistic armor, even at longer distances, using what is called SS190 rounds (steel core.) The .45acp and the 9mm weren't designed with that purpose in mind, although if you're close enough with a hot load and a FMJ round, you can probably defeat ballistic armor with either of them as well.

The velocity of the 5.7 is much faster than the hottest 9mm loads, and close to double that of the hottest .45acp out of the same barrel length due to the light weight of the bullet, which is basically a rifle round. Makes a nice loud noise, kinda like a .357 magnum, but it kicks like a .22 or .25. Very controllable, and very accurate with a steady finger out to distances where the 9mm and the .45acp would just be digging in the dirt.

The bottleneck design would probably result in more reliable feeding; I haven't had any feed problems yet, after 400 rounds, even while breaking it in. The overall compactness of the round (28mm in length) makes it practical to use in an actual pistol-sized frame, and still have decent velocity. The size of the round also allows a capacity of 20 rounds in a single magazine, whereas the 9mm would have maybe 15, and the .45acp would have maybe 8 or 9 rounds in a similarly-sized pistol
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:11 PM   #2705
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The Desert Eagle .44 Magnum used to be my favorite handgun; it puts BIG holes in paper

The FN 57 took its place at the top spot. That thing is like shooting a frickin' laser pistol. The round simply hits exactly where you were aiming. That's at 10, 20, 50, 100 yards.

It feels like a waterpistol at first; definitely a strange fit in the hand. The rounds look like "min-AR" ammunition. This makes the grip wider than most pistols.

Due to the long rounds and how "hot" they fire (incredible fps), your first trigger pull is a surprise. You expect quite a kick, but instead there is none. A HUGE report, but no noticeable kick. It is less, IMO, than even a .22 (I've got a nice Walther P22; the FN kick is equivalent/less than that!) This is due, in part, to the spring placement: on the barrel, rather than on a rod. This brings the recoil straight back, with no barrel rise. It is a phenomenal piece of engineering.

Only drawback to this weapon is price. The pistol weighs in at $1100. The ammunition is pricey, to say the least. If you have an AR and bemoan the prices for ammo for that platform, wait 'til you see what the 5.7x28 runs! Still, the FN 57 is a thing of beauty; the best-engineered handgun I have ever had the privilege to use.


5.7x28 next to a 5.56x45
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:20 PM   #2706
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The Desert Eagle .44 Magnum used to be my favorite handgun; it puts BIG holes in paper

The FN 57 took its place at the top spot. That thing is like shooting a frickin' laser pistol. The round simply hits exactly where you were aiming. That's at 10, 20, 50, 100 yards.

It feels like a waterpistol at first; definitely a strange fit in the hand. The rounds look like "min-AR" ammunition. This makes the grip wider than most pistols.

Due to the long rounds and how "hot" they fire (incredible fps), your first trigger pull is a surprise. You expect quite a kick, but instead there is none. A HUGE report, but no noticeable kick. It is less, IMO, than even a .22 (I've got a nice Walther P22; the FN kick is equivalent/less than that!) This is due, in part, to the spring placement: on the barrel, rather than on a rod. This brings the recoil straight back, with no barrel rise. It is a phenomenal piece of engineering.

Only drawback to this weapon is price. The pistol weighs in at $1100. The ammunition is pricey, to say the least. If you have an AR and bemoan the prices for ammo for that platform, wait 'til you see what the 5.7x28 runs! Still, the FN 57 is a thing of beauty; the best-engineered handgun I have ever had the privilege to use.
I have had a love affair with D-Eagle in 357 for years now. & they still run around a grand,so thats not really a bad price tag. Does anyone make dies for 5.7x28 so you can reload?
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:40 PM   #2708
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Just ordered a 10-pack of 30-round AR-15 mags, and I don't even have an AR-15 at the moment. But I plan on getting one some time next year. I had to do it while prices are decent, and before any possible post-election hi-cap mag ban.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...mag-10405.html


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Just ordered a 10-pack of 30-round AR-15 mags, and I don't even have an AR-15 at the moment. But I plan on getting one some time next year. I had to do it while prices are decent, and before any possible post-election hi-cap mag ban.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...mag-10405.html


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http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/DSGHOLIDAYPK1.aspx
Already took advantage of that deal, and Armalite are selling bulk packs for their AR-10's. I bought a 5 pack of 20 rounders for $150.


Get 10+ round magazines while you still can. They will be the first thing banned.
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Damnit.


I just got done telling myself that I was done buying guns for a little while after picking up my AR-10 Nat Match, SW 642 and LC9 for my wife today.


That bullet looks awesome IMO. Time to do some research......
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Holy shit, the 5.7 has a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps!


It would still fragment within 100 yards using premium ammo. Good God.

Although it has slightly less energy than a .45 ACP, the fragmentation alone would make it a deadly bullet.
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:18 PM   #2713
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Damnit.


I just got done telling myself that I was done buying guns for a little while after picking up my AR-10 Nat Match, SW 642 and LC9 for my wife today.


That bullet looks awesome IMO. Time to do some research......
tell me about your AR-10 please.
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tell me about your AR-10 please.
I will post pics when I get the scope mounted along with the Harris Bipod.


Here is an exact match of what I got:



I purchased the upper and lower from www.762sass.com seperately and had them put a Magpul PRS stock on for $200 extra. Ended up costing me $995 for the upper and $670 for a lower including the PRS stock. $1665 for a PRS equipped National Match rifle that would have cost around $23-2500 if purchased complete.

Anyway, I already have an AR-10A4 with a 18x Redfield Revenge Varmint scope (awesome scope for cheap) that I consistantly drill 10" targets at 550 yards with 168 grain HPBT. It was time to step up to a 1000 yard rifle.

I started searching for an AR-10T, but ended up with the NM which is nearly the same anyway. I hope I can break it in tomorrow since it will be 60 degrees with only 10-15 mph wind.

I plan on purchasing a Bushnell Elite 6500 or Nikon Monarch 32x for the NM with Armalite Mount. Harris Bypod is a must, too.

I ****ing love long range shooting.
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I will post pics when I get the scope mounted along with the Harris Bipod.


Here is an exact match of what I got:



I purchased the upper and lower from www.762sass.com seperately and had them put a Magpul PRS stock on for $200 extra. Ended up costing me $995 for the upper and $670 for a lower including the PRS stock. $1665 for a PRS equipped National Match rifle that would have cost around $23-2500 if purchased complete.

Anyway, I already have an AR-10A4 with a 18x Redfield Revenge Varmint scope (awesome scope for cheap) that I consistantly drill 10" targets at 550 yards with 168 grain HPBT. It was time to step up to a 1000 yard rifle.

I started searching for an AR-10T, but ended up with the NM which is nearly the same anyway. I hope I can break it in tomorrow since it will be 60 degrees with only 10-15 mph wind.

I plan on purchasing a Bushnell Elite 6500 or Nikon Monarch 32x for the NM with Armalite Mount. Harris Bypod is a must, too.

I ****ing love long range shooting.
is that an 18" barrel? I'm thinking about buying a Rock River .308 with a 20" barrel. I see absolutely no point in buying a AR10 type with a 16" barrel.
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